Britain is free!!!


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Britain is fighting for freedom tonight.  I’ve been watching it every 10 min.

    600,000 votes from the threshold and 1 million votes in the lead!  Britain will be leaving the EU!

    Congrats!


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016

    Bad news for Britain and the EU.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 '13 Official Answers TripleA Moderator

    @Private:

    Bad news for Britain and the EU.

    Indeed  😞

    Are we now going to see Northern Ireland and Scotland leaving the UK? Is that even possible?


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 '13 Moderator

    But it was what the majority wanted. There is mass dissatisfaction among the non London populace and no one has addressed it.

    Doesn’t bother me if those two leave. Let them.
    I prefer smaller nations to bigger ones.


  • 2018 2017 2016

    @P@nther:

    @Private:

    Bad news for Britain and the EU.

    Indeed  😞

    Are we now going to see Northern Ireland and Scotland leaving the UK? Is that even possible?

    Pretty sure.
    Scotlands leans and depend more on the EU then towards the UK.

    24 plus EU Nations agreed allready to stick together in the EU.
    So the Brexit will maybe not affect the EU too much.


  • 2018 2017 2016 2015 Customizer

    Yes. Congrats. About time for Britain to shape its own destiny.

    Is Deutschland next?

    What happens then? Total EU collapse? It is going to be the  Nations that are Small, Poor and In Major Debt Union.


  • Customizer

    Woke up this morning a free man; never thought it would happen. Smelled the flowers! Noticed how beautiful babies are! Listened to the birds singing in the trees! Haven’t done things like that for years.

    Our message to the rest of Europe must be: join us! A Europe of free, democratic, independent nation states will be much stronger than the flabby monster the banks created, which combines all the worst aspects of capitalism and socialism in the same package.

    The EU will contract to Germany, still trying to dominate the continent and rub out national borders, choked up with concentration camps and ruled from the Chancellery by a big, toxic red spider.  The same nightmare all over again.

    Oh, and Scotland. It might have Scotland, and is welcome to it.


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    “The problem with Scotland…. is that it’s full of Scots!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX1uTui5I2c


  • 2017 2016 2015 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    I’m glad, hope all of Europe keeps only military assistance and dumps the open border thing. All you ever get is the have-nots sneaking into Europe and destroying everything, one economy at a time. And always its the have not nations that want to join, but never adapt to the culture and ways that benefit them and remain separate in every respect. Such hypocrisy!


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 '12

    I think there is a good chance some ersatz agreement will be struck that replicates many of the aspects of being in the EU so the change will be minimal.

    But then, maybe not.

    Europe is a scary place.  Falling native populations, hostile muslim fifth column populations, mass-immigration, economic stagnation, rising political instability…

    European nations have been making mistake after mistake since WWII. Instead of rebuilding their own populations, they import “guest workers” who then DUH don’t leave and bring their families. They develop the EU and common currency that are highly dysfunctional and damaging to the less advanced economies. After the cold war, they let their militaries go to seed (except France, I guess). They embrace democratic socialism to the extent they emasculate their citizens will to do anything about it–maybe that is changing though.

    I think there is a real possibility in my lifetime that one or more European nations will implode and no longer exist. My money on that happening is on Germany.  They’re in real trouble. Sure it doesn’t seem like it now, but demographically it’s lights out in 30+ years. Like Hemingway said, the disaster will come slowly but then suddenly.


  • Customizer

    Just in case anyone thinks that the exit is an extreme right-wing thing, look here:

    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-1bff-Why-the-Morning-Star-supports-a-Leave-vote/#.V23DA9QrIrh

    What has happened is that the right and left (at least half Labour voters went for leave) combined to defeat a centre which has become lazy and bloated, and gave up on democratic politics by handing control of everything over to the unelected European Commission and Central bank.

    The Irish experience with the Lisbon treaty tells you everything about the true nature of the EU.

    There are already some trolls trying to get Parliament to throw out the result, but there will be civil war if they succeed.


  • 2018 2017 2016

    I wish England the best and all the success it can get.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 '13 Moderator

    Thanks Aequitas.
    We shall see, eh!


  • 2019 2018 2017

    We’ll miss you guys.

    On a side note: this is not a first.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_European_Communities_membership_referendum,_1982

    The Greenlandic example made me wonder whether an option could exist for Scotland and Northern Ireland to remain within the EU while England and Wales would be out. I’m not sure whether the legal status of the constituent parts of the UK is in any way comparable to the Danish Realm, though.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    @Flashman:

    Our message to the rest of Europe must be: join us! A Europe of free, democratic, independent nation states

    The second sentence made it clear what the first sentence was referring to, but my initial reaction to the first sentence (before I got to the second one) was to think that you were proposing something different: achieving the goal of having an independent Britiain be part of a united Europe by inviting the rest of Europe to join the British Commonwealth of Nations.  I’m not sure how the rest of Europe would react to that proposal, but my feeling is that it would be easier to market this idea now rather than later because Continental nations might be more willing to accept Queen Elizabeth the Second as their new head of state than would be the case with King Charles the Third.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016

    @Herr:

    I’m not sure whether the legal status of the constituent parts of the UK is in any way comparable to the Danish Realm, though.

    I was reading this morning that the Scottish parliament will need to vote in favour of any move to leave sanctioned by the UK parliament.

    If they don’t we may be in the sort of situation you highlight.

    It’s all a muddle. And I’d rather we were not leaving. But it will keep things interesting for a while! It could result in seismic changes in the UK political status quo, with the break up of the UK and realignment of political parties.

    Did those that voted for Brexit realise the implications I wonder?


  • 2018 2017 2016 2015 Customizer

    @CWO:

    @Flashman:

    Our message to the rest of Europe must be: join us! A Europe of free, democratic, independent nation states

    The second sentence made it clear what the first sentence was referring to, but my initial reaction to the first sentence (before I got to the second one) was to think that you were proposing something different: achieving the goal of having an independent Britiain be part of a united Europe by inviting the rest of Europe to join the British Commonwealth of Nations.  I’m not sure how the rest of Europe would react to that proposal, but my feeling is that it would be easier to market this idea now rather than later because Continental nations might be more willing to accept Queen Elizabeth the Second as their new head of state than would be the case with King Charles the Third.

    Heh  :lol:  Now wouldn’t that be something!


  • Customizer

    They’ll keep the Queen in a frozen stasis container to keep Charles (sorry, George VII) off the throne.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    @Flashman:

    They’ll keep the Queen in a frozen stasis container to keep Charles (sorry, George VII) off the throne.

    This tactic may require the services of a first-rate ventriloquist because the Queen has to give a Speech From The Throne (or whatever the phrase is in Britain; I’m quoting the Canadian counterpart) each time a new session of Parliament opens.


  • 2019 2018 2017

    Scotland may be looking for an alternative anyway once it regains its independence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobite_succession

    But maybe they’ll wait for the oil price to go up.


  • 2017 2016 2015 '12

    After much internal debating I manage to stay away from this, barely.

    But the notion of “finally free” makes this very hard. I just hope that the UK old people get what they want as quickly as possible and I dont have to watch leaders of the stature of Farage and the Ex-Mayor drag this out now.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016

    Farage is a nasty piece of work. Boris is a clown. It’s saddening to see so many fellow Brits taken in by them.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    @Private:

    Farage is a nasty piece of work.

    A Canadian news program a couple of nights ago showed a clip of a speech he had just given to the European Parliament, in which he gloated over the victory of the Leave side (“When I came here 17 years ago and said I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain to leave the European Union you all laughed at me. Well, I have to say, you’re not laughing now are you?”), and in which he openly insulted his fellow MEPs with shots like “I know that virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives, or worked in business, or worked in trade, or indeed ever created a job”.  Considering that these are some of the people with whom Britain will soon be trying to negotiate favourable exit terms, I have trouble understanding why Farange would go out of his way to antagonize them, since from a  purely practical point of view this sounds like a counterproductive thing to do.  He’s presumably never read the famous book “How to Win Friends and Influence People”, one of whose sections is called “How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing Resentment”.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016

    Quite right Marc. It was an awful performance.


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