SBRs and AAA

@PrivateerPuffin said in Rules question about Fighters in Sea battles:

1st question: Does the word may in excerpt #2 allow for fighters to be presumed as casualties?

No, but it allows for carriers to be.

2nd question: Does excerpt #3 mean that there can never be more fighters in a battle than you have spots on carriers (if there are no other islands or territories to land in).

Yes.

An example if my question is nonsensical.
Japan took Midway, Alaska, and Western Canada last turn. On the US turn. 4 US fighters from two carriers in SZ 56 used 2 movement to attack a fleet in SZ 64. 1 fighter from Western US then uses 3 of its movement to also attack the fleet. The Japan player says that isn’t allowed because the 4 fighters will need the carriers to land. The US player disagrees and says that they could take a fighter as a casualty, allowing for there to be an open spot on the carrier which the fighter from Western US can land on.

The Japan player is correct.

During combat movement, you must be able to demonstrate possible safe landing zones for all attacking fighters. Once the combat starts, you may take carriers as casualties so that these safe landing zones are not maintained, usually in order to maximize the effectiveness of the attacking force. Once combat is over, all fighters that can still be landed must be (attacker’s choice of exactly which fighters, if there is a choice), and any that cannot are lost.

@vodot Yeah, definitely seems like the US would need some kind of economic boost if they have a split economy. I bet playing like this would be more historically accurate and more fun, especially with more than 2 players.

@chickenwire said in Aircraft Landing After Carrier Destroyed Question:

Welcome to the forum.

For your scenario only this quote is relevant for defending Japan, as the other quotes address the active player (whose turn it currently is):

“A fighter based on a defending carrier must land on the same carrier if possible after the battle. If that carrier is destroyed in combat, it must try to land elsewhere. It must land on a different friendly carrier in the same sea zone, move 1 space to a friendly territory, island, or aircraft carrier, or be destroyed. This movement occurs during the Noncombat Move phase, before the acting player makes any noncombat movements.”

Now the Japanese fighters (on US NCM phase) can move to an at that time friendly territory/island.

@Panther Thanks!

@jpciv

Welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face:

I have moved your topic here, assuming that your question is about 1942 Second Edition. Please let us know in case you targeted another 1942 edition.

What do you mean by “counterattack”?

Scrambling planes is not part of the 1942 rulesets.
Also the rules don’t allow defender’s movement during the attacker’s turn.

Of course units can “counterattack” when it is their turn. But remember that planes can’t hit submarines unless there is a friendly destroyer in the battle, too.

@aardvarkpupper

Agreed.

Correct, Transports do have the "Chosen Last "-characteristic…

@ruelbook:

Chosen Last: Transports can be chosen as casualties only if there are no other eligible units. Normally this will occur when
only transports are left, but it can also occur under other circumstances. For example, air units attacking transports and
submarines will hit the transports because they can’t hit the submarines without a friendly destroyer present.

… that AAA does not have.