@ncscswitch:
Gd Dmn F_alk, you ARE being deliberately obtuse!
You are deliberatetly vague. You even redefine time scales:
Of COURSE I was talking about the 91-03 time frame when I said the Iran/Iraq war was 20 years ago.
So when you say “20 years ago”, it is actually: “3-15 years ago” ?
Also, just because the Shites MAY have sent material out of southern Iraq in the interim period (91-03) does NOT preclude Saddam himself sending materials from the area he DID control during the same time period.
So, may might could …
oh, somewhere you said SH did send more materials (than his Mirages) to Iran. Is that guessing or will we see some backing up of it?
And what is that crap about me calling Iraq a democracy??? I said that AFTER Saddam was deposed, Iraq became a majority (or at least largest plurality) Shite nation… the same religious/ethnic group as is the majority/ruling group in Iran. I never made ANY claim that the Shites held power in Iraq prior to '91.
We are talking about “What was moved to Iran from IRaq during SH reign”. Ii doesn’t matter who rules it now. And it was you who brought this argument “they are similar thus they will send stuff”. The rulers were not similar at all … UP TO 20 years after the First Gulf War (that is Iran-Iraq in international understanding).
So, you talk about “1991-2003” (or 20 years after the armistice of 1988), and say “it matters that they are similar”. And you say “those in power were not similar until 2005”.
You are using logical falacies
This makes your post quite funny actually.
You use “20 years after” for … “3 to 15 years after” … and while i try to nail that pudding to the wall, you say i was fallacious?
by trying to equate 2 different POTENTIAL sources for material to be transfered to Iran and trying to claim that they are part and parcel of the same argument. One has to do with Saddam himself, and his government, and the areas he controlled. THAT is the source for the jets flown to Iran, and MAY be the source for OTHER materials that the IAEA had tagged but are now missing. The OTHER source has to do with the Shites in southern Iraq and the aid they were receiving from Iran and the aid they MAY have given to Iran in exchange.
I will requote you:
The Iran/Iraq war was 20 years ago. … Same language, similar culture, similar religion, etc. All those same factors tie Iraq and Iran together far more closely than either nation has ever been tied to any outside power.
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(new paragraph: Shites in souther Iraq, in that same paragraph:) Saddam knew it was a one-way ride, just like it was with the aircraft that went to Iran in 1991. But he sent MORE anyway, knowing they would never be reuturned.
…(new paragraph)… the materials Saddam had …we know for CERTAIN that military (and other?) equipment went to Iran.
If you don’t want to be misunderstood, why not use paragraphs to mark things that belong together and that done’t belong together? You never differed between the Shiites and SH, you never said that 20 means 3-15. If you are vague and not precise, then don’t blame me or call me fallacious.
Your paragraphs implicate things you didn’t want to say.
I am simply far more likely to believe the least-common denominator here:
#1 Saddam knew he was going down and sent materials in areas under his control to other nations (most likely Iran) in order to keep the materials from being destroyed or confiscated. We KNOW he did this with jets in '91 and in '03, so why not with OTHER materials?
#2 We know the Shites were getting aid from Iran after '91. People tend to do things for their own self-interest, so why not think that Iran got something in exchange for their aid?
So Iran played both sides in Iraq. Surprise, surprise. Like THAT has never happened anywhere else in the world.
And you call me a conspiracy theorist? That is quite funny.
Saddam did not send material to Iran for two reasons:
- He hated them (they have nothing in common: not language, not culture, not religion. They fought a war for nearly a decade.)
- He had nothing to send. No “nucular” weapons, no chemical weapons, no biological weapons.