G40: Caesar1 (Allies, USA +8/turn) vs. teslas

  • '15

    @Caesar1:

    I just followed the standard loss option Triple A gave me.

    I think you can add Greece, Tobruk, Egypt and Trans-Jordan in your list. But I’ll say you what I would have done if I were you after your turn.

    Egypt is unwise. I can only land 4 units. Your defenders will likely kill at least one of them, for three units. On Britain’s next turn, you have a transport bringing in two inf, a mech, and a tank in range to hit them, along with the Maltese planes and a cruiser bombard for good measure. I’ll have effectively wasted a turn of effort. If I bring up my sub-saharan africans for another hit on the next round, I won’t be able to reload my transports the same turn, so attempting to retake it is almost assuredly going to fail. I don’t think Egypt is a good plan. I don’t think you think Egypt is a good plan for the Axis, either.

    Trans-Jordan is awful. I would be in range of a direct counter-hit on my 4 landing units by basically the same shit that could hit me in Egypt. Turn wasted.

    Tobruk is possible, but carries the exact same risks as hitting Malta does, except much worse because the Maltese planes are alive to obliterate the Italian navy. This is literal suicide.

    Taking Greece now is a steady play, but one that doesn’t actually advance the overall goal much. And what do I do after? After this turn everything you have strong is even stronger. The goal as Italy is to attempt to fuck up Britain if it can, and if it can’t, to turtle up. Greece would be what I did if I was forced to turtle, or if I was worried about the UK landing troops there soon, but here, I’m not, so I think it’s non-optimal. The normal option after Greece is for an easy hit on Egypt, but Egypt isn’t possible next round because of all of the reasons it’s not a good idea this round.

    So no, I wouldn’t add those things you said to my list as viable options. I’d almost think you’re trying to sabotage me, sir! I’m looking forward to hearing what you’d do after I make my move, which is starting now, with dinner potentially interrupting it.

  • '15

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
                Italians buy 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Politics - Italians
                Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
                    Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Italians
                1 unit repaired.
                1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                      Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British
                1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                      Italians take Kenya from British
                1 armour moved from Albania to 97 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
                1 armour moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
                1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
                1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone

    Combat - Italians

  • '15

    For some reason it didn’t give me the option to scramble your fighters on Gibraltar.

    Oh, wait, that’s because I forgot to move my dudes onto Gibraltar, woooops.

    Let me post a new save with that done.

  • '15

    TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
                Italians buy 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Politics - Italians
                Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
                    Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Italians
                1 unit repaired.
                1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                      Italians take Kenya from British
                1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                      Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British
                1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
                1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
                1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 armour moved from Albania to 97 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
                1 armour moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
                1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                2 armour and 2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar

  • '15

    There we go.

    Scrambles?

  • '18 '16

    Big mistake the two UK unit landed in Morocco. No scramble! You have 51%, the same chance I had in 97sz. Let’s see what happens in this strange game. Your option is a good one but a bit risky. I always prefer sure battles if you have clear goals and expectations. But if you conquer Gibraltar allies will slow the fortress Euorpe assoult.

  • '15

    It says 62% on my end?

    Either way, let’s see!

  • '15

    @teslas:

    Option 2: Go take Gibraltar from you. ~63% chance
    Upon success: Germany can kill the fleet in 91 on its turn, and the Axis own Gibraltar forever, and you’ve even put an air base there for us.
    Upon failure: Total loss of Italian navy.

    Shit! The plan was to also take Southern France as Italy, I had the units to do it, I just forgot in my hurry to get the action posted!

    As you can see from my post earlier, taking Gibraltar hinged on also using the Germans to kill the fleet in SZ 91, which required taking Southern France.

    I can understand that you wouldn’t want me to go back now, but this was the original intention, and part of the move I just did, I just forgot one of the attack moves :(((

    Would you mind if I did Northern Italy -> Southern France as well, sir?

  • '15

    Actually, wait, I guess. I don’t want to mess up the save game since dice were already rolled. We’ll just continue on this way. No problem.

  • '15

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
                Italians buy 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Politics - Italians
                Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
                    Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Italians
                1 unit repaired.
                1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                      Italians take Kenya from British
                1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                      Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British
                1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
                1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
                1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 armour moved from Albania to 97 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
                1 armour moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
                1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                2 armour and 2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar

    Combat - Italians
                Battle in Gibraltar
                    Italians attack with 2 armour and 2 infantry
                    British defend with 1 airfield, 1 fighter and 1 harbour; Americans defend with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                    Italians win, taking Gibraltar from British with 2 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 21
                    Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
                    Casualties for British: 1 fighter
                    Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                    Italians attack with 1 fighter
                    British defend with 1 transport
                    Italians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                    Casualties for British: 1 transport
                Battle in 93 Sea Zone
                    Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                    French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                    Italians win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                    Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine
                    Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Italians
                1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
                1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
                2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
                2 aaGuns moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
                2 aaGuns moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
                4 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
                2 infantry moved from Albania to Yugoslavia

    Place Units - Italians
                1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
                Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                    Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6
                Italians collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs total
                Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 17 PUs
                Turning on Edit Mode
                EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Yugoslavia: 2 infantry
                EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Albania: 2 infantry
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

  • '15

    Welp, Italy won the Gibraltar fight. This game just got super interesting for the European Axis.

    I am winning this game on dice, and I fully admit that, but it’s because I’m willing to capitalize on my good fortunes 😛

    Come on, America, show us that you don’t need +14 to win!

  • '18 '16

    I remebered it was one naval bombing per transport and not per unit. So it would be better if I had scrambled just 1 fighter in order to avoid the three bombing dice. But now it’s too late.
    I think luck is always turning randomly so I’m expecting some better dice in the following turns  😉

  • '18 '16

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 1

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
                ANZAC buy 1 artillery and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
                1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
                1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
                1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
                2 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia
                1 artillery moved from Queensland to South Australia
                2 aaGuns and 2 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
                2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
                1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland

    Place Units - ANZAC
                1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
                ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total
                Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs

    Territory Summary for ANZAC :

    Malaya : 1 infantry
        Queensland : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 3 fighters, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
        New Zealand : 1 airfield and 1 harbour
        New South Wales : 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
        South Australia : 1 artillery and 2 infantry
        54 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
        Egypt : 2 infantry

    Production/PUs Summary :

    Germans : 39 / 68
        Russians : 37 / 37
        Japanese : 39 / 44
        Americans : 50 / 78
        Chinese : 10 / 16
        British : 28 / 35
        UK_Pacific : 10 / 10
        Italians : 12 / 17
        ANZAC : 10 / 15
        French : 13 / 0
        Dutch : 11 / 0
        Mongolians : 0 / 0
        Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
        Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
        Neutral_True : 18 / 0

  • '18 '16

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 1

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
                1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
                1 artillery moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
                1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
                1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco
                1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
                1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa
                1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French

    Territory Summary for French :

    Trans-Jordan : 1 infantry
        United Kingdom : 1 fighter and 2 infantry
        Morocco : 2 infantry
        Normandy Bordeaux : 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
        French Central Africa : 1 infantry
        Algeria : 1 infantry
        Southern France : 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
        81 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer

    Production/PUs Summary :

    Germans : 39 / 68
        Russians : 37 / 37
        Japanese : 39 / 44
        Americans : 50 / 78
        Chinese : 10 / 16
        British : 28 / 35
        UK_Pacific : 10 / 10
        Italians : 12 / 17
        ANZAC : 10 / 15
        French : 13 / 0
        Dutch : 11 / 0
        Mongolians : 0 / 0
        Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
        Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
        Neutral_True : 18 / 0

  • '15

    @Caesar1:

    I remebered it was one naval bombing per transport and not per unit. So it would be better if I had scrambled just 1 fighter in order to avoid the three bombing dice. But now it’s too late.
    I think luck is always turning randomly so I’m expecting some better dice in the following turns  😉

    Actually, it was like 61% if you scrambled nothing, and 65% if you scrambled one fighter (you rolled one less fighter on defense, but you got three less bombards).

    I was hoping you scrambled 0, because if you scrambled 2, and got 1 or 2 hits, that set you up for the suicide runs against the ITA fleet on the allies’ next turn.

  • '15

    And I am not sober by any stretch of the imagination, so this game is going to have to wait for tomorrow, haha.

  • '15

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 2

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
                Germans buy 6 armour, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

    Politics - Germans
                Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Germans
                1 mech_infantry moved from France to Southern France
                      Germans take Southern France from French
                3 artilleries moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
                3 mech_infantrys moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
                1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 91 Sea Zone
                2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 91 Sea Zone
                3 fighters moved from Western Germany to 91 Sea Zone
                2 bombers moved from Western Germany to Greece
                4 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
                2 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Greece
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
                3 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
                1 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
                1 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
                1 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
                1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
                Battle in Greece
                    Germans attack with 2 armour, 2 bombers and 4 infantry
                    Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                    3 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 armour owned by the Germans retreated to Bulgaria
                    Neutral_Allies win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                    Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                    Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 3 infantry
                Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                    Germans attack with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                    French defend with 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                    Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 6 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                    Casualties for Germans: 2 artilleries
                    Casualties for French: 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                    Germans attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers
                    British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport; Americans defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                    Germans win with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34
                    Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    Casualties for Americans: 1 cruiser and 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - Germans
                3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
                2 submarines moved from 111 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
                1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
                3 aaGuns moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
                1 aaGun moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
                1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
                2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
                6 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
                1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Poland
                2 bombers moved from Greece to Western Germany

    Place Units - Germans
                1 infantry placed in Western Germany
                6 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
                1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 112 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Germans
                Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 45 PUs total
                Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs
                Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs

  • '15

    Alright, I don’t think I need to worry about a massive European landing like I did last game, heh.

  • '15

    I also just noticed I forgot to move my Balkan tanks. Oh well. It likely won’t affect much.

  • '18 '16

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Russians
                Russians buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

    Combat Move - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
                1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
                2 armour moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
                2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
                1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
                2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
                3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
                1 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine
                8 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
                1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Caucasus
                2 fighters moved from Novgorod to Caucasus
                1 aaGun moved from Belarus to Novgorod
                1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
                1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 10 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
                6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
                2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
                1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Russians
                3 infantry placed in Ukraine
                9 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
                Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 38 PUs total

    Territory Summary for Russians :

    Yenisey : 6 infantry
        Yakut S.S.R. : 2 aaGuns and 12 infantry
        Baltic States : 1 infantry
        Bryansk : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 18 infantry
        Russia : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 9 infantry
        Ukraine : 1 factory_minor and 4 infantry
        Western Ukraine : 2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 13 infantry
        Volgograd : 1 factory_minor
        Novgorod : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 4 infantry
        Caucasus : 2 armour, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
        123 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
        114 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser
        115 Sea Zone : 1 submarine

    Production/PUs Summary :

    Germans : 44 / 55
        Russians : 37 / 38
        Japanese : 39 / 44
        Americans : 50 / 78
        Chinese : 10 / 16
        British : 28 / 35
        UK_Pacific : 10 / 10
        Italians : 12 / 17
        ANZAC : 10 / 15
        French : 8 / 0
        Dutch : 11 / 0
        Mongolians : 0 / 0
        Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
        Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
        Neutral_True : 18 / 0

  • '18 '16

    I hope we will see some unbelievable dice in one of this turns. Dice are turning and maybe this could be a good factor to see new scenarios instead of the standard one.

  • '15

    I probably won’t be able to get to my turn until Monday night, sir, as it’s going to take some long-term planning beforehand, and I won’t have a bunch of time all at once until then.

  • '15

    Oh, and yeah, me too. It’s always great when a game goes “off the rails” a bit and you see some non-standard plays. They make for the best games.

  • '15

    Probably going to sign to buy a house in the next couple of days, and I just started on a new contract. Might be a few days, sir.

  • '15

    Still alive, and thank you for your patience. Will be another busy week, but I’ll try to sneak away and get in here so you don’t have to wait yet another week.

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