WWII–-75th ANNIVERSARY POLLS--#13 AUGUST 1940


  • Been waiting to read other contributions before casting my vote.

    The received wisdom has been that the Battle of Britain was being won by Germany before the change of focus from attacking RAF facilities to “terror bombing”.

    In another thread, though, both wittman & CWO Marc raised doubts as to whether the Luftwaffe ever had enough fighters. In which case Kurt’s post seems to make sense.

    Whether the focus should have been the English Channel or the RAF, the bombing of British cities certainly did not achieve its aims.


  • I would not have even pursued a Battle of Britain. I would have kept all my German fighters at home, built more and more radar and fighters, and pursued peace with England while making it more and more expensive and unpopular for them to continue with war.


  • @Der:

    I would not have even pursued a Battle of Britain. I would have kept all my German fighters at home, built more and more radar and fighters, and pursued peace with England while making it more and more expensive and unpopular for them to continue with war.

    ….then, you don’t know the Brits…


  • After learning of the Me-110 faults, I would have used the Luftwaffe to it’s strengths, attacking the channel convoys with Ju-87 and 88s supported with 109s. Attack only coastal targets where bombers would have escort cover.

    Force the RAF to fight over the Channel.

    Night bomb the western Lend Lease ports.


  • @ABWorsham:

    After learning of the Me-110 faults, I would have used the Luftwaffe to it’s strengths, attacking the channel convoys with Ju-87 and 88s supported with 109s. Attack only coastal targets where bombers would have escort cover. Force the RAF to fight over the Channel.  Night bomb the western Lend Lease ports.

    The Luftwaffe did actually start its campaign by attacking merchant traffic in the Channel area with the aim of drawing out the RAF.  The problem was that Sir Hugh Dowding, the head of Fighter Command, could see exactly what the Luftwaffe was trying to do and he refused to take the bait: he only committed a bare minimum of his fighter strength to this phase of the campaign.  As for night bombing, it would have been ineffectual as a way to destroy Fighter Command because most WWII fighters couldn’t operate at night: the RAF would have sent up few (or no) fighters to meet the German bombers, and the Luftwaffe itself would have had few (or no) accompanying fighters in the air to engage them.


  • @CWO:

    @ABWorsham:

    After learning of the Me-110 faults, I would have used the Luftwaffe to it’s strengths, attacking the channel convoys with Ju-87 and 88s supported with 109s. Attack only coastal targets where bombers would have escort cover. Force the RAF to fight over the Channel.  Night bomb the western Lend Lease ports.

    The Luftwaffe did actually start its campaign by attacking merchant traffic in the Channel area with the aim of drawing out the RAF.  The problem was that Sir Hugh Dowding, the head of Fighter Command, could see exactly what the Luftwaffe was trying to do and he refused to take the bait: he only committed a bare minimum of his fighter strength to this phase of the campaign.  As for night bombing, it would have been ineffectual as a way to destroy Fighter Command because most WWII fighters couldn’t operate at night: the RAF would have sent up few (or no) fighters to meet the German bombers, and the Luftwaffe itself would have had few (or no) accompanying fighters in the air to engage them.

    I heard that Dowding in fact didn’t want to defend the Channel convoys at all (and suggested that ships not use the Channel), but his government or the RN wanted to preserve prestige and so forced him to defend the convoys?


  • @calvinhobbesliker:

    I heard that Dowding in fact didn’t want to defend the Channel convoys at all (and suggested that ships not use the Channel), but his government or the RN wanted to preserve prestige and so forced him to defend the convoys?

    I hadn’t heard about that, but I can well believe that such pressures were applied on Dowding from those sources.  Dowding was a tough character, so perhaps his “bare minimum fighter commitment” approach was a bare minimum in more ways than one: the smallest amount to which he was willing to compromise.

    Incicentally, one problem with using Ju-87 Stukas to attack merchant ships is that, as far as I know, Stuka pilots were trained to attack fixed targets on land rather than moving targets at sea.  The Kriegsmarine, which in principle would have been better suited for the job, didn’t have a naval aviation arm, and the Luftwaffe was primarily a land-attack force intended to provide tactical support to the Army.  Admittedly, most merchant ships don’t move or maneuver very fast, and I think I’ve seen footage of Stukas attempting to bomb moving trains (allowing of course of the fact that they move on fixed railroad tracks, which helps with the aiming of bombs), so the Stuka wouldn’t have been totally unsuitable for the job (cannon-armed versions were even used later in the war to attack Soviet tanks), but it still would have been a case of improvising an unplanned new capability at the last minute – similarly to the whole concept of using river barges as amphibious landing craft for Sea Lion.


  • Had the Thames River commerce been shut down, the Germans would have been on the way to a victory-however a very long economic war.

    Hitler would have share the bed with Stalin longer than 1941.


  • @ABWorsham:

    Had the Thames River commerce been shut down, the Germans would have been on the way to a victory-however a very long economic war.

    Hitler would have share the bed with Stalin longer than 1941.

    Moving the Channel traffic around Scotland shouldn’t be a problem…


  • Had the Channel been abandoned, I would then focus on mining the trade routes around Scotland. Then step up bombing the western port cities.

    Would be nice to have a four engine bomber fleet.  :cry:


  • @ABWorsham:

    Had the Channel been abandoned, I would then focus on mining the trade routes around Scotland. Then step up bombing the western port cities.

    Would be nice to have a four engine bomber fleet.  :cry:

    How would you mine the routes around Scotland? They could just keep going around them…

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