Sudetenland.

Yes, and Romania and Yugoslavia may have rallied to the allies.

I don’t think it would be the end of the nazi party. Probably German civil war. Poland would look to gain territory from Germany then.
The Czechs probably keep what they were given at the end of WWI. Maybe try for a chunk of Germany/Austria as well.

The poles only took territory after it was obvious Germany would get away with it

@knp7765:

Germany attacks Poland on Sept 1, 1939. I know this is a little out there, but suppose Chamberlain and Deladier (French leader, not sure of spelling) were still bent on appeasing Hitler in spite of the terrible slaughter of the poor Poles and did NOT declare war on Germany.
Would Hitler have still went after France the following Spring 1940?

I think so.  There was a discussion along these lines over here…

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34744.0

…in which I posted a few responses giving some thoughts about the subject.

Hitler would have attacked the France regardless. He didn’t want a two front war at that point. France was an easier target than the USSR. He wanted to knock the French out of the race before they could join it. The difference would have been France may not have been on a war footing when Hitler attacked. Then he would have just steamrolled the French instead of facing that highly organized and professionally orchestrated defense he didn’t face.

Sorry. My sarcasm is showing again. I hate incompetent generals. They kill more men than the good ones.

To the original question. If Chamberlan could have been hit by blue ice and removed then the English may when have stood up for the Czechs. France would have followed suit IMHO. A BEF force on the continent moving east with the French would have been a good thing. Before Hitler could have mines laid some naval action off the German coast would have been a real eye opener for Hitler. He always thought little of naval power early on.

So here’s my dream scenario. Hitler is making slow progress against the Czechs since bliztkrieg actions against a determined foe in mountains don’t look like what we saw in France. The Czechs did have a well trained and equipped military that was not as laden with idiots as the French high command. The Brits sail in force into the Baltic Sea, announce they are at war with Germany, and flatten some ports and naval installations. Damage done by the branch Hitler thought the least of for some reason. Finally the Allied push from the west. I’m pretty sure at that point in time this would have led to Hitler’s overthrow by the Generals.

Now to ponder the impact on Italy and Japan.

There is a lot to consider in this question, a lot of what has been touched on above.

We first need to look at the time frame. WWI was still very fresh in everyone’s memory, the Western Allies at least wanted to do everything they could to avoid another war of that scale, and so were willing to appease Hitler, continually believing his lies that he just wanted “a little bit more”. Sacrificing Czechoslovakia for European peace was worth it to them. Same goes for the Rhineland. The other part of this is that no, the Czechs would probably not have been saved had the Allies acted, for very similar reasons that Poland didn’t survive. Geographically speaking, there was nothing France or the UK could do to realistically help the Czech’s and Poles out. Theirs were alliances in name only really. The UK would have taken months to get troops to the mainland, as it did in after Poland was invaded. France also was woefully prepared for war. While they had a large standing army, it was not well trained, and France politically had only recently (finally) backed partial rearmament.

True, the Czech army would have put up a fight, but the other factor here is the incorporation of the Sudetenland. That part of Czechoslovakia was ceded to Germany initially, and had a lot of ethnic Germans. This was the area that also contained the large majority of the Czech border defenses, which largely contributed to the ease in which they were able to take the rest of the country, and why the Czech government knew resistance was futile at that point. Unless of course we’re talking about before the initial Sudetenland cession, then I’d say there was a fighting chance.

@The11HP20:

Now to ponder the impact on Italy and Japan.

Good point! That would be interesting. I think Italy is easy enough to figure out though: they wouldn’t have done a thing.

Up until Italy invaded southern France, the UK and French were still doing everything in their power to keep Italy out of the war, and even had mild hopes of Italy joining them (though that was more of a stretch considering the fascist regime). That’s why Italy was given such a free hand in invading Abyssinia. True, the western allies condemned the invasion, but they ultimately didn’t want to piss off Italy to do anything more to make them align more with Germany.

One reason why I really have mixed feelings on the Taranto/the UK being able to attack Italy first move in AA 1940. Historically, there’s almost no way the Allies would have attacked Italy first, since they didn’t want Italy joining the fight against them in the first place.

Japan is a different matter. They were still at war with China regardless. It’s hard to see them attacking the US, Dutch, French, and UK, knowing that the whole might of all of them could be brought to the Pacific without any worry in Europe. That being said, with a Germany power vacuum, I wouldn’t be surprised to have seen the USSR become aggressive and take territories in eastern Europe.

We’re getting down the historical fiction hole a lot now though!  :-)

Simply put, if the Allies stood up to Germany before Munich sold-out the Czechs, Germany probably would have had a massive mess on their hands if they had to militarily take Czechoslovakia… people assume a LOT of things, like the Germans were this massive modern mechanized monstrosity that few could stop… this simply was NOT the case in February 1938 when it first cropped up.  Lets just assume, we look at a few things without the assumptions many put on Germany, and look at a lot of the realities if a war broke out before the Sudetenland was turned over to Germany, no Munich happened, and Czechoslovakia stood firm against Germany in 1938.

1. Czechoslovakia is NOT Poland… this seems obvious, but terrain alone is very much different… instead of flat plains, great for massive panzer formations and flanking units, you have a lot of mountains and rough ground… not exactly ideal for Blitzkrieg warfare…

2. The Sudetenland defenses were fairly well developed and would have posed a significant challenge… the Czechs had a fairly well-laid-out line of trenches, pillboxes and defenses all around the Sudetenland to defend approaches through rough terrain facing Germany… if these were manned and defended, it would be a tough approach for Germany to deal with under even ideal circumstances and with superior equipment.

3. The Germans did NOT have a quality advantage over the Czechs, especially in tanks.  In 1938, Germany really only had two types of Panzers in service… the MG-only armed Pz-I… which was barely more than a training vehicle… and the laughable Pz-II… armed with a whopping 20mm cannon… once again… not exactly anything that is going to strike fear in your enemy.  Pz-III’s were still in development… and mass production would not start till 1939… Pz-IVs just weren’t around… on the other hand, the Czech army was well armed with (at the time), a very capable Skoda CKD Lt vz.35 (later known as the Pz-35t, after the Germans got their hands on it)… the Czechs had nearly 300 of them at the time… these tanks were, in-fact, superior to anything the Germans had in 1938… quite a difference from the common misconception that the Germans always had better tanks than their opponents.

The Czech army alone, was well equipped and in a very defensible position, and could have held out far longer than Poland did, given the situations of 1, 2 and 3 listed above… in-fact, its entirely feasible, the Czechs alone may have completely halted an invasion of their country as long as the Allies didn’t give away their border defenses at Munich.  This doesn’t even account for what would have or could have happened if more countries jumped-in to the defense of Czechoslovakia.

I’m in the firm belief, that had Germany militarily invaded Czechoslovakia in-whole before the surrender of territory at Munich, that it would have been a military disaster for Germany… and very possibly the end of the Third Reich, shortly thereafter.