G40 - New UK Pacific Nation

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    You may be on to something, I’ll have to revisit your ideas after the weekend.

    Hoping to post some in game notes here throughout our game, as of now… gonna call UK west Great Britain, and UK east United Kingdom just for identification purposes, gonna ask CWO Marc for help on names later.

    Cheers.

  • 2024 '22 '21 '19 '15 '14

    Sounds killer man, I’m going to repost that last idea in a separate thread so as not to distract too much from the main aims of this one. Since I think it works for standard G40 too. But I think I might try it using the British Pacific Empire set up, since this set up intrigues me a lot.

    Have a great game tomorrow :-D

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    Just modified post #1 to reflect the game rules we will be using today.

    Cheers

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    Black Elk,
    I am curious about your liberation idea. So if Paris is taken by Germany, and Italy takes Morocco, then the US takes Morocco from Italy, then Paris is liberated, the US keeps control of Morocco, right? This only happens to French territories that were taken by Axis powers then retaken by Allied powers, correct? In other words, If the US lands in Morocco while Paris is captured but Morocco was never taken by Axis, in that case Morocco is still French, right?

    An idea popped into my head concerning French territories in Africa as well as Syria and FIC. Most of the French forces in these territories became Vichy once Paris fell. The French in Morocco and Algeria did resist the Allied landings in Operation Torch, even if most of it was token resistance. The British had to fight hard against the French in Syria because they were afraid of the Luftwaffe using Syria for air bases. In FIC, the Vichy French allowed Japan to pretty much move in and take over.
    So I was thinking of this idea. What if all French territories outside of the 3 main territories in Europe became Pro-Axis Neutrals after Paris falls? If an Axis power moves into one of these territories (for example: Italy moves from Libya to Tunisia), the French infantry there becomes Italian and Italy gains control of that territory. The Allies would have to fight those French units to take those territories.
    Now, the 2 French infantry and 1 French fighter in England would still work for the Allies. Perhaps they could turn into British units like YG suggested. Either way, they stick with the Allies.
    I’m not sure about the French naval units. I’m thinking they would also stick with the Allies. Only the land territories and whatever units are on them change to Pro-Axis neutrals (except for England). Or you could end up making the naval units into “Strict” neutral units but I’m not sure what that would really end up accomplishing. Then you would just have a few ship pieces on the board that don’t do anything. I think it would just be better to leave the French ships sticking with the Allies. Unless you want the Axis to get a few more ships.

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    Had a great game today after trying out this new UK Pacific nation, of course we have some tweaking to do, but our group really accepted it and it should be a major part of our regular gatherings going forward. Of course there will be many strategies to execute as well as counter in regards to this house rule as only so much can be assessed from one play test game. However, there were some obvious structural benefits that became clear immediately.

    In a group of 5 players as we had today, this new UK nation allowed the game to flow extremely smooth. No longer was the UK player waiting for Japan and United States to finish their turns before effecting both Europe and Pacific maps with their own turn. Japan and the United States could play while UK Europe and Italy worked through thier own turn sequences. No more separate piles for 2 UK purchases… the UK player was able to focus on one side with one purchase per turn. The UK turns went faster than usual allowing Italy to start their turn sequence more efficiently without waiting for UK battles on the Pacific side to end. I can’t stress enough how fluid or game was and we managed to break a group record for rounds vs. time played with 9 rounds in 11 and a 1/2 hours.

    Now like I said some tweaking is needed as there was a lot of discussion about National Objectives, and what ever works for our group may not be what others here agree upon. Therefore I don’t want to get into long discussions about them because I realize as much as it would be great to have a universal set of NOs… it’s just to ambiguous of a subject, my suggestion is to use what works for you and house rule it. In our game today we decided that with the combined income of ANZAC and UK Pacific being spent in Calcutta, and the ability to jump on Islands totaling 8 IPCs… it was best to limit the NOs the UK Pacific received to just 1 achievable NO for fear of a dominate UK force in India.

    Today, the UK player used their income for tanks and fighters which allowed them to extend out, but not very much in the end because Japan was so effective building factories and bombing India. Perhaps next time there will be a focus on naval units, and it will be interesting to see if the US goes 100% on one side as there was an equal American presence on both boards today. I highly recommend the ideas in post #1 which allow both ANZAC and UK Pacific to attack and spend as one… I’m excited for our group members who love the new ideas here.

  • '17 '16 '15

    Glad you guys had a fun game YG.

    What impact did the special Russian infantry rule have?

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    @barney:

    Glad you guys had a fun game YG.

    What impact did the special Russian infantry rule have?

    We didn’t use it… The Pacific side seemed more balanced, and the new UK nation had a better advantage over the old Allied Pacific system, so we decided to not give the russians the free Infantry… just the split “National Prestige” NOs and that’s it. We used the out of box production unit rules… but the group really wants the mid level factory system, so I’ll have to fit that in.

  • 2024 '22 '21 '19 '15 '14

    This sounds really encouraging! Can’t wait to check it out in a FtF game.

    Oh also to Knp, I dig that idea, not least because it might offset some of the allied advantages to the system I proposed. I migrated the discussion to a new thread (a few posts down in this forum) to keep the focus here on the British Pacific Empire idea. But I actually dig that proposal a lot, and I think it would be cool as a way to represent Vichy in the game.

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    Modified post #1 to reflect decisions made after our play test yesterday.

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    With the political exile option for the UK, our group has decided to give Germany a 10 IPC NO for control of London.

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