• '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    ROC,

    I don’t think losing Hawaii round 1 is as bad as it seems given the parameters of the thought experiment.  In a normal game sure it would really be bad because Japan would be that much closer to a VC win.


  • I played it out, and you’re right. It really isn’t horribly bad. My US was only making 57 after T1 and he was at war though… 2 subs off east coast killed cruiser transport and convoyed.


  • @theROCmonster:

    I played it out, and you’re right. It really isn’t horribly bad. My US was only making 57 after T1 and he was at war though… 2 subs off east coast killed cruiser transport and convoyed.

    Still not very good though I think. Japan still gets 1+5 IPCS while the USA loses a total of 6 for not securing its NO. Of course this would likely promt America to start dumping IPC’s to Pacific and eventaully force you out, but your still making some nice gains while making America to halt whatever it’s doing and shift attention to you. If the USA doesn’t answer this the following would probably happen:

    -Japan would be in a far better position to defend territory from Hawaii
    -Japan now has a much easier time completing another NO for +5 ipcs controlling the Islands behind Hawaii
    -Japan can always drop down an entire force on Queensland in one move from hawaii, making ANZAC think twice before moving into position to harass Japan.

    Like you said, not horribly bad, but I can really see how this can result in a headache for the Allies if Japan takes advantage of it.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    It would be far worse in a traditional game, however.  That’s where I was going with it.


  • @Cmdr:

    It would be far worse in a traditional game, however.  That’s where I was going with it.

    For sure.


  • ya giving Japan 30 means he is almost for sure going to take out Anzac on T3. No real way to defend against it :/. The plus side is that Japan can’t take the 4 money islands if he does that. He still gets Philippines the first turn though.

  • '15 '14

    @Cmdr:

    Now yes, I realize that a perfect allied strategy for this scenario would be 100% infantry builds in the United States and stack the ever loving CRUD out of Washington, but let’s assume we have normal game play for the sake of this mental experiment, okay?

    No it’s not. Doing this would allow the Axis to win 100% of the games.
    It is a more than viable option for the Axis to play for an economic advantage. In case this happens earlier or later they would conquer the entire world, the same way like Allies would conquer the world if they could establish permanent economic advantage without losing to victory conditions.

    In case US does nothing but buying inf the world domination by the Axis would be inevitable and earlier or later Washington falls.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    maybe I play my brother too often then.  By about the time he looks at a territory with 250 infantry defending it, he generally flips the board over and leaves. :P


  • @Cmdr:

    maybe I play my brother too often then.  By about the time he looks at a territory with 250 infantry defending it, he generally flips the board over and leaves.

    Your brother should take inspiration from General (later Marshal) Foch, who at the First Battle of the Marne reputedly said, “My centre has caved in.  My right flank is giving way.  The situation is excellent.  I attack.”  A positive thinker.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @CWO:

    @Cmdr:

    maybe I play my brother too often then.�  By about the time he looks at a territory with 250 infantry defending it, he generally flips the board over and leaves.

    Your brother should take inspiration from General (later Marshal) Foch, who at the First Battle of the Marne reputedly said, "My centre has caved in.  My right flank is giving way.  The situation is excellent.  I attack."  A positive thinker.

    Wouldn’t President Truman be more appropriate?  Just nuke the stack with some atomic weapons?

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