Can the Chinese fighter attack sea units?



  • I figure this is a yes, but wasn’t sure due to Chinese restrictions.



  • No. Sadly the Chinese fighter can never leave the land.



  • Where does it say this? I have a Japanese TT off the coast of Jehol sitting alone and I know my opponents are going to want to attack it.


  • '14 Customizer

    While being invaded by Japan, China is also fighting a
    civil war. This limits China’s interests to matters within its
    own borders, resulting in a limited range of occupation for
    Chinese units. They can be moved only into territories that
    have a Nationalist Chinese emblem. However, Kwangtung
    and Burma are special cases.
    Although they are not Chinese
    territories, Chinese forces can move into them. These are
    the only non-Chinese territories that Chinese units can
    occupy. China can even temporarily control them, but only
    if it recaptures them from the Axis while India is under Axis
    control. Chinese units cannot be loaded onto transports.

    At the beginning of the game, China has a United States
    fighter unit located on the map. This represents the American
    volunteer group the Flying Tigers. This fighter is considered
    part of the Chinese forces for purposes of movement and
    combat. It cannot leave the territories that Chinese occupation
    is restricted to, even to attack and return.
    If it is destroyed, the
    US player cannot replace this fighter unit for China.

    Page 10, Pacific OOB Rulebook.



  • @internationalaw:

    Where does it say this? I have a Japanese TT off the coast of Jehol sitting alone and I know my opponents are going to want to attack it.

    By sure not to allow your opponents to intimidate you and break rules just because they want to do something, or think that they should be allowed to. Learn the rule books like the back of your hand, and force them to bow before you in all your glory and wisdom.


  • Customizer

    Hey internationalaw,
    I feel your opponent’s pain. A while back I was playing as US/China. Japan had very bad luck in Asia and my Chinese troops managed to push them out of Asia. I had my Flying Tigers fighter sitting right there in Shanghai and Japan had 3 unescorted transports just sitting there in Sea Zone 20. There was no US or ANZAC ships or planes within range but my Chinese fighter was limited by those dang Chinese Border rules. So those transports just sat there and mocked me.


  • 2018 2017 2016

    The restriction on the Flying Tigers to ground operations is understandable, but one provision I would allow is the expansion of potential Chinese campaigns in Korea, Hainan and Formosa. In the case of the two islands, the Chinese should be allowed to board American transports only to attack those territories. In fact I would make China the original owners of those islands, so they’d be liberated anyway.

    It’s not terribly farfetched to imagine this since the Nationalists were fleeing to Taiwan just four years after the war.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    @General:

    The restriction on the Flying Tigers to ground operations is understandable, but one provision I would allow is the expansion of potential Chinese campaigns in Korea, Hainan and Formosa. In the case of the two islands, the Chinese should be allowed to board American transports only to attack those territories. In fact I would make China the original owners of those islands, so they’d be liberated anyway.

    In the case of Hainan there would certainly be a historical justification for this because the Pacific 1940 map contains an error: it shows Hainan as being a Japanese territory (with a Japanese roundel), not as being a Japanese-occupied Chinese territory (with a Chinese roundel and orange borders).  Hainan was a Chinese territory until 1939, when it was occupied by Japan, so it should be depicted in the same way as Manchuria (annexed by Japan in 1931, as I recall) and Jehol and so forth – not in the same way as Formosa, which Japan picked up way back during the First Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 '13 Moderator

    Thank you for the history lesson Marc and General Veers. Had no idea about those islands.


  • '14 Customizer

    That might be the reason Harris designed it so the Flying Tigers stay in the mainland of China. If Hainan was labeled a Chinese territory then the whole rule on transports could become an issue as well as the Flying Tiger being able to attack units in seazones. The way the game is setup the plane is penned inside of China with the exception of Burma and Kwangtung.

    And if the Chinese could load onto transports it would be easy to use them with USA since their turns are back to back.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    @cyanight:

    That might be the reason Harris designed it so the Flying Tigers stay in the mainland of China. If Hainan was labeled a Chinese territory then the whole rule on transports could become an issue as well as the Flying Tiger being able to attack units in seazones. The way the game is setup the plane is penned inside of China with the exception of Burma and Kwangtung.And if the Chinese could load onto transports it would be easy to use them with USA since their turns are back to back.

    Good theory – that may very well be the explanation.  I’d always wondered why Hainan was incorrectly represented on the game map (from the point of view of which territories were Chinese when Japan started conquering them in 1931).  Formosa and Korea I could understand, since China ceded Formosa to Japan under the 1895 Treaty of Shimonoseki and recognized Korean independence (which proved to be short-lived, since the Russians and the Japanese both had territorial ambitions there) under the same treaty.


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