Today 100 years ago: Archduke Ferdinand assassination



  • Had Italy sided with the Central Powers could France survive a two front war?

    There is no doubt had this happened, the Allies would have invaded Italian soil.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 '13 Moderator

    Would have been hard for France, but how long before AH broke the Alliance and walked in the back door? Surely Italy would have kept a large proportion of troops in the Veneto, thus prejudicing its chances in the West
    Did someone say they both distrusted and hated each other? Not the best way to fight a war!



  • @wittmann:

    Would have been hard for France, but how long before AH broke the Alliance and walked in the back door? Surely Italy would have kept a large proportion of troops in the Veneto, thus prejudicing its chances in the West
    Did someone say they both distrusted and hated each other? Not the best way to fight a war!

    With Russia opening the war with a deep push into Austria-Hungarian Empire, I don’t know if that would he happened.

    Both countries would have needed German support.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 '13 Moderator

    Lucky for the Entente,  Italy joined them  then.
    I really did not know it was the Russians who attacked first, so thank you Worsham.


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    @wittmann:

    Would have been hard for France, but how long before AH broke the Alliance and walked in the back door? Surely Italy would have kept a large proportion of troops in the Veneto, thus prejudicing its chances in the West Did someone say they both distrusted and hated each other? Not the best way to fight a war!

    The fact that Italy, even though it was part of the Triple Alliance with Germany and A-H, initially remained neutral and later joined the Allies suggests that Italy was ambivalent at best (if not outright distrustful) towards A-H.  Though in fairness, WWII illustrates that the who’s-on-which-side dynamics in a war can change rapidly and that nominal enemies can sometimes end up as allies despite residual (or even ongoing) mutual distrust and antipathy.



  • Italy was openly hostile to Austria-Hungary. No way she was going to fight for Austria-Hungary in an offensive war.

    That said, even if she did. Ask yourself, if the weak and ineffective Hapsburg army could curb stomp the Italians for 3 years, what makes you think the French would have any sort of difficulty?  Not to mention the barely functioning Italian economy would have collapsed within a few weeks due to British naval blockade. Italy would have been not but another corpse for Germany to be shackled too.


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