America launched operation torch in north africa in november of 42…something the ussr wanted the americans to do help releive pressure on the ussr during stalingrad…
If america does not get into the war…the japanese claim the pacific…the germans woudl have kicked the british out of north africa…and of course normandy does NOT take place opening up the west front of ww2…and of course…NO atom bomb…at least not by the USA…do u think germany could held off the russians long enough for them to get THEIR atom bomb into the air? Everyone seems to forget, germany was working their OWN manhattan project…the US just beat them to it…
so i ask again…if america does NOT get into world war 2…do the allies win? thats why pearl harbor was a HUGE day for america…not just for ww2…but that day changes america into the dominant power they are even to this day!
try this on for size…play axis and allies WITHOUT the USA…they remain a neutral country unless attacked by either germany or japan…can the UK and USSR win this game? 99.9 i think the answer is no.
America launched operation torch in north africa in november of 42…
I agree this helped the Soviet Union. But the Soviets would have won at Stalingrad even without Operation Torch.
If america does not get into the war…the japanese claim the pacific…
This is true. The Japanese would have owned most of the non-American islands in the Pacific; such as Indonesia, New Guinea, etc. This would have given them a good supply of oil. In addition, they could have increased the industrial capacity of Manchuria and of Japan itself. Japan would have taken the place of the British Empire, at least in the far east. But they would not have conquered India or the rest of China. Their island empire would have taken up a lot of space on a map–at least if you counted the Pacific as being “owned” by Japan–but in terms of land area controlled or the population of occupied countries, it would have been a smaller, weaker empire than Britain’s.
the germans woudl have kicked the british out of north africa
This is doubtful. Hitler wanted to throw as much strength as he could against the Soviet Union. Rommel had been given only a very small force. Hitler regarded the main purpose of the North African effort as diplomatic (to save Italy’s bacon in Libya), not strategic. At first, it looked as though Rommel might take Cairo. But after his initial offensive petered out, the British added reinforcements to the area at a much faster pace than the Germans. When Montgomery began his westward push, he had overwhelming numerical superiority.
do u think germany could held off the russians long enough for them to get THEIR atom bomb into the air?
Hitler had chosen to allocate only minimal funding to Germany’s atom bomb effort. His rationale was that the outcome of the war would be decided in '42, or '43 at the latest. America did not use nuclear weapons on Japanese cities until late '45.
try this on for size…play axis and allies WITHOUT the USA
In order to create a balanced game with a relatively simple rules set, it was necessary for Larry Harris to overstate the economic power of the Axis and understate what the Allies could do. During WWII, there was a reasonably solid correlation between military aircraft production and overall military production. Bearing that in mind, below are military aircraft production numbers. The first column represents military aircraft produced in '42; the second production in '44.
U.S. 48,000 96,000
Germany 15,000 41,000
U.S.S.R. 25,000 40,000
U.K. 24,000 26,000
Japan 9,000 28,000
In 1941, the U.S. produced 19,000 military aircraft. Though still technically at peace, the U.S. delivered large numbers of these aircraft to the Soviet Union and to Britain. In 1940, the plan had been to expand American aircraft production to 70,000 planes per year; with half that production delivered to Britain.
It’s also worth looking at the production of land weapons.
Artillery production (entire war)
Tanks and self-propelled guns