• Whitshadw, I believe you may be mistaken about transporting to Iraq for 3 more men. As England you have to fight them as they are pro-axis.


  • @Larrie:

    Whitshadw, I believe you may be mistaken about transporting to Iraq for 3 more men. As England you have to fight them as they are pro-axis.

    I wrote this at 8a.m. In a Dunken Donuts ment Iran for the 2 extra men but again it’s at your own descression. If you feel that Egypt needs to be further reinforced then take the 1infantry from Malta and the AA if you think you can hold out and don’t need those troops then ill send them to Iran. 🙂


  • @Whitshadw:

    (…)If I see Germany’s round 1 buys and troop
    Movements aren’t anything to do with a Sealion then this is my main setup as England round 1 (…)

    And what about a surprise Sea Lion?
    I have seen (and executed) a Barbarossa feighn, just to achieve what you seem to be doing UK1: UK building nothing in London at all and its med fleet dispositioned (or destroyed) in the med.

    Germany can still buy 10 TRS GE2 and RAID UK IC+AB (Italy can use its STR (+FTR) to RAID the UK airbase after UK’s turn as well so comes GE3 the UK cannot scramble).
    With only some UK2 builds to protect London after repairing its IC, no option to scramble (most likely), the German surprise attack on London is very effective. Particularly if UK has built an IC in Egypt that suddenly falls silent because London cannot collect any income anymore.

    I find it very dangerous, that IC in Egypt UK1. But I would consider building it UK2 instead for certain!


  • @ItIsILeClerc:

    @Whitshadw:

    (…)If I see Germany’s round 1 buys and troop
    Movements aren’t anything to do with a Sealion then this is my main setup as England round 1 (…)

    And what about a surprise Sea Lion?
    I have seen (and executed) a Barbarossa feighn, just to achieve what you seem to be doing UK1: UK building nothing in London at all and its med fleet dispositioned (or destroyed) in the med.

    Germany can still buy 10 TRS GE2 and RAID UK IC+AB (Italy can use its STR (+FTR) to RAID the UK airbase after UK’s turn as well so comes GE3 the UK cannot scramble).
    With only some UK2 builds to protect London after repairing its IC, no option to scramble (most likely), the German surprise attack on London is very effective. Particularly if UK has built an IC in Egypt that suddenly falls silent because London cannot collect any income anymore.

    I find it very dangerous, that IC in Egypt UK1. But I would consider building it UK2 instead for certain!

    for sure you can still do this for sure

    12 Ipcs for the IC in Egypt

    10 for a fighter for England and 2 more Infantry for England it self.

    Pull down the fighter from Scotland and the 2 Infantry and 1AA  Also

    Now this is a big also if Italy did not destroy or attack the navy or Germany is saving its Airorce for England’s attack then the 2 Fighters from sea zone 93 do make it back to England (count te spaces)

    So basicaly at Round 2 England you see a Sealion comming you’ll already have 6 infantry 5 anti aircraft 1 mech and 7 fighters in England

    2 British that originally start with in England
    1 French
    1 from Scottland
    1 you bought from Round 1
    And the 2 from the Aircraft Carrier ( If Italy didn’t attack but I can’t see them winning) and if Germany is doing a Sealion they need to save there Airforce for it

    Which leaves you to still have your buys for England round 2 and still be reactive.

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    If the UK doesn’t attack the Italian Battleship, and moves all their ships to consolidate with the 2 French ships, I would send every German plane to wipe them out G2.


  • @Young:

    If the UK doesn’t attack the Italian Battleship, and moves all their ships to consolidate with the 2 French ships, I would send every German plane to wipe them out G2.

    that’s what I want you to do! See how many planes you’ll loose not only that your not bombing England your not attacking the airfields and Sealion is a wimper and I’ll still have a Round 1 IC in Egypt and still be able to hold England .

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    @Whitshadw:

    @Young:

    If the UK doesn’t attack the Italian Battleship, and moves all their ships to consolidate with the 2 French ships, I would send every German plane to wipe them out G2.

    that’s what I want you to do! See how many planes you’ll loose not only that your not bombing England your not attacking the airfields and Sealion is a wimper and I’ll still have a Round 1 IC in Egypt and still be able to hold England .

    Yes, I agree… but I can do a lot of damage in Africa and the middle east with an Italy that has a battleship fleet and zero British boats in the Med.


  • @Young:

    @Whitshadw:

    @Young:

    If the UK doesn’t attack the Italian Battleship, and moves all their ships to consolidate with the 2 French ships, I would send every German plane to wipe them out G2.

    that’s what I want you to do! See how many planes you’ll loose not only that your not bombing England your not attacking the airfields and Sealion is a wimper and I’ll still have a Round 1 IC in Egypt and still be able to hold England .

    Yes, I agree… but I can do a lot of damage in Africa and the middle east with an Italy that has a battleship fleet and zero British boats in the Med.

    ofcorse you would it all depends In what Germany buys round 2 again they just lost half there Airforce so no Sealion happining. That tells me I can buy 3 fighters for defense of Egypt. At the end of round 2 I’ll have.
    A total of
    7infantry
    2 Artilary
    1 mech
    1 AA
    1 Tank
    1 tactical bomber
    3 fighters

    You don’t have the numbers for Egypt but everything’s else in the med is up for grasp for sure.
    Crunch the numbers see what you get

    Also let’s face facts Italy is looking for other objectives to complete still Yugoslavia, Greece, south France , Gibralter  etc


  • Yes, I agree… but I can do a lot of damage in Africa and the middle east with an Italy that has a battleship fleet and zero British boats in the Med.

    If the allied player does it right, that giant fleet can sit in the Med.  I’ve only seen Italy out of the Med a few times, and I’ve only been playing about a year.  Most of the time, they sit in the Med and go for bonuses.

    Also let’s face facts Italy is looking for other objectives to complete still Yugoslavia, Greece, south France , Gibralter  etc

    In round 2?  Why didn’t Italy take Yugo, S. France and Greece in round 1?  Yes, it all depends on the strategy you plan on taking for the rest of the game, but if Italy isn’t going up at least Greece or S. France in round 1…  Is Italy just taking the single IPC territories in Africa?  You start with enough troops in Italy to take S. France with 2 inf/art, Yugo with inf/art/strafe (if Germany hit them first round) and Greece (if 2 transports still live).


  • @AK_Grown:

    Yes, I agree… but I can do a lot of damage in Africa and the middle east with an Italy that has a battleship fleet and zero British boats in the Med.

    If the allied player does it right, that giant fleet can sit in the Med.  I’ve only seen Italy out of the Med a few times, and I’ve only been playing about a year.  Most of the time, they sit in the Med and go for bonuses.

    Also let’s face facts Italy is looking for other objectives to complete still Yugoslavia, Greece, south France , Gibralter  etc

    In round 2?  Why didn’t Italy take Yugo, S. France and Greece in round 1?  Yes, it all depends on the strategy you plan on taking for the rest of the game, but if Italy isn’t going up at least Greece or S. France in round 1…  Is Italy just taking the single IPC territories in Africa?  You start with enough troops in Italy to take S. France with 2 inf/art, Yugo with inf/art/strafe (if Germany hit them first round) and Greece (if 2 transports still live).

    it’s possible absolutly just a lot of variables but yeah round 1 Italy can have most of that and possible yugo if Germany straffs it but your stretched thin with te amount of units there also
    England will still be pumping out units to make sure Egypt dosnt fall

    Not only that while Italy’s whole economy is based off it’s NO and tiger thefirst 2 quickly would be

    clearing the Med while also taking Southern France and Greece and Gibralter now you can do Southern France and Greece round 1 round 2 you’ll need to send1 to take Gibralter to make your money.

    now if Germany deals with the med fleet with its Airforce and has no ships for fodder then no way possible for a Sealion

    Egypt will grow larger by round 3 and go on the offensive and by the threat of a Sealion has passed also more money not all can be invested into Africa and further reinforce Eygpt from South Africa.


  • Basicaly what I’m saying is follow my plan and you shall see that England will grow strong and quickly put Italy’s hope down and put your self in a situation to cripple them and take the steam out of them and also set you up for further progression to help Russia /Calcuta in further rounds

    Take a moment and read over my steps and come to your own conclusions and you shall see.

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    @Whitshadw:

    Basicaly what I’m saying is follow my plan and you shall see that England will grow strong and quickly put Italy’s hope down and put your self in a situation to cripple them and take the steam out of them and also set you up for further progression to help Russia /Calcuta in further rounds

    Take a moment and read over my steps and come to your own conclusions and you shall see.

    Could you please start a new thread detailing your Med strategy? I would like to contribute further to this discussion, but not here in a Japan strategy thread.

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    I also have some observations about that med fleet strategy, since an opponent of mine has stacked 93 in a game. But, like YG has stated, this is a thread about Japan and IC’s. If you start a new thread I’ll explain why I don’t feel a 93 stack is good move.

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    Sorry for the late reply ItIsILeClerc. I can see why you would build a NB.  Still trying to get used to all these new movement increase facilities.  Very clever.

    On a side note I enjoyed following the discussion as it moved from Japan to UK/Italy 🙂

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    @Whitshadw:

    @ItIsILeClerc:

    @Whitshadw:

    (…)If I see Germany’s round 1 buys and troop
    Movements aren’t anything to do with a Sealion then this is my main setup as England round 1 (…)

    And what about a surprise Sea Lion?
    I have seen (and executed) a Barbarossa feighn, just to achieve what you seem to be doing UK1: UK building nothing in London at all and its med fleet dispositioned (or destroyed) in the med.

    Germany can still buy 10 TRS GE2 and RAID UK IC+AB (Italy can use its STR (+FTR) to RAID the UK airbase after UK’s turn as well so comes GE3 the UK cannot scramble).
    With only some UK2 builds to protect London after repairing its IC, no option to scramble (most likely), the German surprise attack on London is very effective. Particularly if UK has built an IC in Egypt that suddenly falls silent because London cannot collect any income anymore.

    I find it very dangerous, that IC in Egypt UK1. But I would consider building it UK2 instead for certain!

    for sure you can still do this for sure

    12 Ipcs for the IC in Egypt

    10 for a fighter for England and 2 more Infantry for England it self.

    Pull down the fighter from Scotland and the 2 Infantry and 1AA �Also

    Now this is a big also if Italy did not destroy or attack the navy or Germany is saving its Airorce for England’s attack then the 2 Fighters from sea zone 93 do make it back to England (count te spaces)

    So basicaly at Round 2 England you see a Sealion comming you’ll already have 6 infantry 5 anti aircraft 1 mech and 7 fighters in England

    2 British that originally start with in England
    1 French
    1 from Scottland
    1 you bought from Round 1
    And the 2 from the Aircraft Carrier ( If Italy didn’t attack but I can’t see them winning) and if Germany is doing a Sealion they need to save there Airforce for it

    Which leaves you to still have your buys for England round 2 and still be reactive.

    Hey Sir,

    I just looked at your suggest UK1 strategy, some comments:

    1. If you build Fig+tank SA and IC Egypt EVEN I - And I HATE sea lion because I think it is a losing strategy for the Axis - so even I would accept the invitation and just take England with no losses.

    No way you’ll have 7 fighters Uk2, everything in the Med will for sure be on the ground of the sea after G2.

    I just ran the calculation. Assuming you use no ship for killing sz96 and put 2 figs on the Carrier Italians alone would have 51% to clear, it is 33% in case you put a sub in 98 as a bid. However the battle is a bit problematic as you cannot just tip the carrier as a casualty as Italians could just retreat then and the air would crash and the Germans could easily wipe the rest.

    The problems are:

    • no convoy damage IT1
    • IT is just one transport up
    • IT could attack greece IT1 OR IT could take Trans-Jordan and probably hold with German air support or they take trans jordan and Syria, getting Iraq unless an attack is prepared.
      Alternatively Italians could just waive an attack, keeping the fleet, attacking Greece OR Syria OR/AND TJ, the TTs would be safe in sz98 protected by the fleet plus convoy damage for UK. Italians or Germans could take Gibraltar and jail the fleet in the med, while Italians can build a DD or sub, there are no reinforcements for the UK fleet UK2.
      With Gibraltar in German hands, Germans could move their fleet to sz91, from there they could attack the fleet with air and navy G3 which would be a disaster
      You leave Italians very flexible which is usually something that makes the strong.

    Most games I watched, not attacking sz97 backfires. Leaving the Italians the BB, CC and the TT is usually in favor of the Axis.

    Cheers,
    Tobias


  • @Whitshadw:

    @ItIsILeClerc:

    @Whitshadw:

    (…)If I see Germany’s round 1 buys and troop
    Movements aren’t anything to do with a Sealion then this is my main setup as England round 1 (…)

    And what about a surprise Sea Lion?
    I have seen (and executed) a Barbarossa feighn, just to achieve what you seem to be doing UK1: UK building nothing in London at all and its med fleet dispositioned (or destroyed) in the med.

    Germany can still buy 10 TRS GE2 and RAID UK IC+AB (Italy can use its STR (+FTR) to RAID the UK airbase after UK’s turn as well so comes GE3 the UK cannot scramble).
    With only some UK2 builds to protect London after repairing its IC, no option to scramble (most likely), the German surprise attack on London is very effective. Particularly if UK has built an IC in Egypt that suddenly falls silent because London cannot collect any income anymore.

    I find it very dangerous, that IC in Egypt UK1. But I would consider building it UK2 instead for certain!

    for sure you can still do this for sure

    12 Ipcs for the IC in Egypt

    10 for a fighter for England and 2 more Infantry for England it self.

    Pull down the fighter from Scotland and the 2 Infantry and 1AA  Also

    Now this is a big also if Italy did not destroy or attack the navy or Germany is saving its Airorce for England’s attack then the 2 Fighters from sea zone 93 do make it back to England (count te spaces)

    So basicaly at Round 2 England you see a Sealion comming you’ll already have 6 infantry 5 anti aircraft 1 mech and 7 fighters in England

    2 British that originally start with in England
    1 French
    1 from Scottland
    1 you bought from Round 1
    And the 2 from the Aircraft Carrier ( If Italy didn’t attack but I can’t see them winning) and if Germany is doing a Sealion they need to save there Airforce for it

    Which leaves you to still have your buys for England round 2 and still be reactive.

    Where is the carrier with the planes?


  • @Whitshadw:

    @Larrie:

    Whitshadw, I believe you may be mistaken about transporting to Iraq for 3 more men. As England you have to fight them as they are pro-axis.

    I wrote this at 8a.m. In a Dunken Donuts ment Iran for the 2 extra men but again it’s at your own descression. If you feel that Egypt needs to be further reinforced then take the 1infantry from Malta and the AA if you think you can hold out and don’t need those troops then ill send them to Iran. 🙂

    I believe that you misunderstood what I was saying. Or maybe, I misunderstand you. From your earlier post I gather that you are transporting over to Iraq to claim those 2 infantry, maybe this is where I am missing something. As England you can not claim those men, you have to fight them as they are pro-axis neutrals and would fight you, England, being an ally.

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