What would you do as allies in this situation?

I was surprised that they actually got London on the first try (LOL) after the UK was beefed up so much in this edition (units and AAA guns), but as you know there was a cost, and they were left with no ground units to speak of in London to defend.

The Allies are in great position IMO, and The Red Bear will eventually be knocking on the door as the other allies start to redirect Germany’s forces. Sounds like the Reds already have a couple axis/pro axis territories for their 3 IPC NO bonus, and will work to gain more. Germany is loosing the income battle in Eastern Europe, and Scandinavia with Finland gone and Norway about to be taken by the allies. The question is which ally gets Norway, US to build an IC, or Russia for the extra income? Should the US go after Italy in the Med/Africa, or just start making landings in Norway, and Europe to pull the German forces away from the Russians (probably the later, to keep squeezing the Germans).

It sounds like the Japanese Navy is a little spread out and might take a turn or so to mount an offensive on Hawaii, at which point it would be hard pressed to take it, or be able to hold it for a full turn with the US building heavily in the Pacific the last couple turns (w/Anzac support). The US will also start chipping away at the vast Japanese Empire as it is spread out and hard to protect. If the Japanese feel they could pull off a Pacific win by taking Hawaii, they should probably go for it because it may be the only way for the axis to win (time isn’t on their side).

The Germans are going to feel the squeeze, but can they defend well enough (w/Italian help) for Italy/Japan to make a difference in overall income in Africa/Mid East/China? Italy should probably continue to work on Africa to stunt the UK recovery (can Japan spare some navy and transport units to Africa to help). With India in Japanese hands, they could migrate into the Mid East, maybe even Africa to draw some of the Russian mob (while defending against US advancements?).

Keep us posted WB

This is pretty awesome. Although i think your game will show how a sea-lion play for the Axis is kinda weak. You should also record your turn 3 positions, so you can start fresh games with France and London already captured.

As for strategies.

Russia could try for some very interesting tactics, like moving through the Mid-East, pick up the extra INF at Persia, and move onto India. This would free up strain on the U.S, and it would allow them to throw a bit more money around.

Or Russia could just go hard on Germany. Russia (from what you describe) should have around 50ish IPCs. Which should be enough to kill off Germany, as long as U.S.A pitches in.

Russia should get Norway. Troops from a U.S.A IC would take 6 turns to reach Berlin, and multinational forces don’t work to well anyway.

As for U.K, well, all they can and should do is build as much as they can in South Africa to stop Italy from becoming a monster.

China just needs to live. Otherwise, Japan might get board and will probably try to drill into Russia’s behind, or through Siberia.

ANZACs should probably try annoying Japan by fortifying any of the DEI. Other than that, make sure to keep an eye-out if Japan decides to switch route and take Sydney instead.

U.S.A should go towards Germany a little. But mostly towards Japan.

As for the Axis.

Germany will probably try to survive long enough for Japan to win, and for Italy to do something. But they will die because their 30ish IPCs will not sustain them against Russia, and landings in Normandy/Belgium.

I’m not entirely sure how fast Italy’s going in Africa, but whatever speed, they need to be slowed down. U.K should just build troops in South Africa. That should keep them busy.

Japan is the real enemy. U.S.A should just keep ferrying troops into Hawaii. Then into Sydney, you never know.

All the Allies really need to do is choose to go hard Germany, or hard Japan.

If the U.K can support another IC, then go ahead! Just make sure that IC doesn’t fall into Japanese hands.

Holding off Japan and Italy from Russia would (for me) be the main goal. Once Berlin falls, so many IPCs can be redirected towards Japan.

And really, the U.S should easily be able to hold Hawaii and Sydney until you can kill Germany.

@ItIsILeClerc:

Thanks Bean!

What do you think about an extra IC for the UK? I am thinking to put one in Persia. Otherwise, with only SA producing, UK can only stall Italy but not drive it out of Africa and… they… must… be… destroyed :evil:.

Nice try Froggie!
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I think Italy is key to Victory in Europe, so the Med must always be the main battleground. As a minor whinge, I really think Italy’s NOs should have been addressed long ago. Making more than the UK is ridiculous.

Excuse the highjack, but being Italian, I love to play Global. as I did Anniversary, as Italy is represented.
You a fan of Allo Allo too? UK comedies of the last 30 years have been so good. I love Blackadder the best.

Yeah, there is a point in the game where Italy’s income is more from NOs than from territorial income which seems kind of silly. On the other hand, if Italy is to have a chance at growing much, they very much need that income or they can’t afford to put the types of units needed.

I find this experiment interesting, the almost deliberate allowing of Sealion. It looks to me like you have encountered the same problem for Germany that I tend to find when going for Sealion: It takes too many resources by Germany and allows Russia to get too strong in the east.
It’s one thing if Germany advances into Russia and the Russians are delaying the German capture of Moscow by trading territories back and forth IN Russia. But when they are trading territories back and forth on the German/Russian border, that is really bad for Germany especially if the US has enough to take London back. Then all of that spent in taking London is almost a total waste.
However, I guess it does give Italy some breathing room and if the US is liberating London, then they aren’t sacking Rome at least for 2 - 3 turns afterward. If the US is now putting enough in the Pacific to at least contain the Japanese and keep them from getting too big, barring any stupid mistakes it sounds like the Allies will eventually pull this one off.
With the latest Global setup, I just think Germany taking London, at least before they finish Russia, is in most cases a better chance for an Allied victory. Of course there are many factors; bad dice, foolish blunders, poor planning that can change any game, but overall I think the Axis has a better time taking Moscow first, then going after London.

Its funny. It was so easy in the 1st edition to sea lion, you just build some transports and attacked ASAP. But now its really difficult.

The biggest problem about balancing Sea-lion, was that you had to make Britain weak enough for a sea-lion.
But a weak Britain made it hard to help Russia during Barbarossa.

Then Britain was made strong. So that Germany will almost always go Barbarossa, while Britain tries to help Russia.

I think people should create custom start up scenarios where sea lion has already successes, but still give Germany a chance with Russia.

A scenario where Germany already has London? Well, they would already have France too, right? But still be strong on the eastern front? This sounds like an “Axis nearly sure to win” scenario.

@knp7765:

A scenario where Germany already has London? Well, they would already have France too, right? But still be strong on the eastern front? This sounds like an “Axis nearly sure to win” scenario.

Nah, kinda as if the game had already progressed about 3 turns in after a successful sea-lion

Germany gets London, Scotland, France, Normandy
Also would have quite the transport fleet
A carrier
A Tank or 2 on London
MUCH less units on the Eastern front

Italy would have Southern France, Yugoslavia, and Greece

Russia would have A LOT of units gathered up in East Poland

That sorta thing.

Ah, that sounds pretty much like most post-Sealion games to me. And in those games, Russia just has a good old time invading German space.

So do you plan to fight it out with the Yanks for London, or pull out your Luftwaffe and just let it go?
I think you said before that the USA has a pretty large invasion force, 7 or 8 transports full? Plus several carriers loaded with planes. If you decided to stick it out, you could cost the Americans dearly, but would probably still lose London and all of your Luftwaffe to boot. I imagine you will need those planes to scare off the Red Army.
Since you lost the transports, the tank and men in England are pretty much doomed anyway. Personally, I would build 3 more defensive units in London, 3 infantry or maybe even 3 tanks for a little extra punch against the Americans if you can afford it, pull your planes out and let the Yanks just have at it.
One good thing is if they are busy liberating London, they aren’t sacking Rome and probably won’t be in position to for a couple of more rounds. That gives Italy a little more breathing space to possibly expand in Africa and build up their own defenses.
Put maximum men in your coastal French factories, land fighters at the Airbase in W Germany for scramble plus extra troops there and try to protect Denmark. You don’t want that nasty US fleet liberating London then slipping through to attack Berlin.
What is the situation up north with Finland and Norway? Are the Russians threatening there? Or did they concentrate all of their force in Eastern Europe?

Oh, you are the Allies. And here I was telling you how to beat yourself, hee hee hee. Sorry about that. I usually tend to play the Axis so in most cases I tend to look at the game with an “Axis” state of mind.
As Russia, you should definitely grab Norway. With the large US fleet there and London getting liberated, it’s very doubtful Germany will be putting any more boats in the water, particularly defenseless transports, so once Russia grabs Norway, it’s pretty much permanently Russian. After that you can retreat any units back through Leningrad for the final push on Berlin. Yeah, it will take a while for them to get there, but they might be of some help if Germany puts up a stubborn defense.
As for the Eastern Front, it sounds like Russia has a pretty good force along there so I would bide my time a little. Germany has the British treasury to spend now but they are going to start losing money pretty soon (England, Norway plus the NO for Sweeden once Norway falls). You already have Romania so that’s an extra 6 points to you per round and minus 3 for Germany. Once the US retakes London, and assuming Germany recalls the Luftwaffe it should be fairly easy leaving the US a fair amount left, I would think the US would want to start hitting Germany in Normandy, Holland and/or Denmark, depending on how strong the German defenses are. Plus I think you said Japan did NOT invade Russia in the east so Russia is not losing any of her IPCs.
Do you plan to liberate Paris if US troops successfully land in Normandy or Holland? When I have played the US, I usually will leave Paris sit so I can use those factories for a while. At least until I have an Axis factory to use, like W Germany or N Italy.
A little trick I have learned when playing Germany is to leave Paris almost undefended, maybe 1 or 2 guys there, but stack up W Germany and Berlin with a strong force. As Germany, I WANT the Allies to liberate Paris.
1 > All French territories that were captured by Axis then recaptured by Allies immediately revert to French control. So that means that the other Allies incomes might go down a little bit which might help.
2 > On France’s next turn, they get to collect money, possibly as much as 19 IPCs depending on the status of places like Syria and French Indo China. At the very least, they will get 15-16 IPCs. Even with the 12 IPCs of new French units, whatever US units survived the liberation and possible UK units sent in to back them up, I will usually have a strong enough force in W Germany and Berlin to take it back, thus gaining some extra cash and destroying a significant amount of Allied units, especially if UK landed planes there as a backup. It’s usually harder for the UK to replace planes than it is for Germany and while it’s easy enough for the US to replace planes, it will take them a while to get over from the US. If necessary, I will order Italy to throw anything it has that can reach Paris in a suicide attack to soften the Allies up a little for the German attack.
3 > If the Allies DO NOT liberate Paris but instead keep using the French factories in Normandy and/or Southern France, then they also have to take Holland and/or N Italy and work them selves around those territories to get at W Germany. We could exchange Holland and N Italy several times before they actually threaten W Germany. Meanwhile, I still get the 4 IPCs for Paris with very little invested there.
It’s not a perfect plan, no plan is totally perfect, but it could create just enough of a delay on the Western Allies for Germany to take Moscow in the east. However in your situation, since Germany is no where near Moscow and the Russians are within sight of the Reichstag, perhaps a liberated Paris might be a good thing. As the USA, I would still prefer to have a European factory so all of my men and equipment doesn’t have to keep being ferried across the Atlantic. Also, if Germany does like I do and has a strong force in W Germany, you don’t want to liberate Paris just yet and give the Germans that extra cash. Then again, if Germany expends troops and material to retaking Paris, that is less defense against the Russians. Yeah, communism may be spread further, but the ultimate defeat of the Nazis is the prime goal now.