• '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    It was known for a fact a head of time that there were no weapons in the house where Elian was. So what they did was overkill.

    No, what I’m asking for is for our law enforcement to actually follow our laws. For example, when serving a warrant or suppeona (and I know that’s misspelled) they are to knock politely on the door and wait for a response. They are NOT to enter the building until such time as the owners are notified of their pressance and the judge’s orders and they are not to use excessive force.

    And yes, I distrust our demon-rattic government. I want those “fat cats” in Washington to go away forever. They only have two jobs, and until lately, they’ve done neither well. They are to protect me from the state governments and protect me from foreign governments and organizations. Not a damn thing more. NOT A THING.

    • George Washington
    • John Adams
    • Thomas Jefferson
    • James Madison
    • James Monroe
    • John Quincy Adams
    • Andrew Jackson
    • William Henry Harrison

    None of these men, all born in foreign countries and fought to create their own, wanted a government the size or scope of our current, tyrannical, oppressive government. All these men, elected President by the people of this, then newly formed, country, just wanted to live in peace, worship God as they saw fit and have local “town hall meetings” to determine local proceedures for local problems.

    And, quite frankly, given the abysmal record of our federal government at managing civilian affairs (which should be left in the hands of civilians and civilian corporations) it is hard to see why anyone would want to give the federals any MORE power and responsibility.

    After all, to see how inept and idiotic our federal legislature is, all you have to do is listen to Ted Kennedy speak for any period of time. He makes Ted Kazinski seem rational! Okay, he’d make anyone sound rational, seriously guys. Daschle’s the only one who had it right, but for the wrong reasons. DON’T LET THE GOVERNMENT PASS ANY LAWS OR CREATE ANY MORE GRAFT OR CORRUPTION FOR ANY REASON. (His reason was because it was from Bush, not Gore - but the results were good!)


  • @Jennifer:

    It was known for a fact a head of time that there were no weapons in the house where Elian was. So what they did was overkill.

    Why does this line remind of the Iraq invasion?


  • @F_alk:

    @Jennifer:

    It was known for a fact a head of time that there were no weapons in the house where Elian was. So what they did was overkill.

    Why does this line remind of the Iraq invasion?

    man, you’re like an atheist, German, Physicist version of me!


  • None of these men, all born in foreign countries and fought to create their own, wanted a government the size or scope of our current, tyrannical, oppressive government. All these men, elected President by the people of this, then newly formed, country, just wanted to live in peace, worship God as they saw fit and have local “town hall meetings” to determine local proceedures for local problems.

    you have the most aggressively WRONG interpretation of the will of the founding fathers that i have ever heard. ask any political scientist, or teacher/historian of US govt, they will explain exactly how you are wrong.

    They only have two jobs, and until lately, they’ve done neither well. They are to protect me from the state governments and protect me from foreign governments and organizations. Not a damn thing more. NOT A THING.

    thats blatantly wrong. you clearly do not understand the concept of a federalism

    For example, when serving a warrant or suppeona (and I know that’s misspelled) they are to knock politely on the door and wait for a response. They are NOT to enter the building until such time as the owners are notified of their pressance and the judge’s orders and they are not to use excessive force.

    right, so when they knock on the door to search for a serial killer, knowing full well he is in there, and then he starts to escape because they are waiting for him to answer the door….
    you dont understand search and seizure law, so dont pretend you do. having a warrant is legal grounds for entrance, search, and seizure. the occupant does not have to be home when it begins. all they are required to do is notify the occupant when they return home, and show them the warrant. they dont have to wait for them.
    dont pretend to understand laws you know nothing about.

    im sorry, CC, if this will seem a bit personal attack-y…but…

    jennifer: you have the most biased, skewed, and at times, plain WRONG interpretation of the constitution, and US laws, that i have ever seen. if you want to continue to delude yourself, go ahead. but dont spew this filth as fact to every1 you meet, and especially dont try to connect your completely incorrect viewpoint to the rest of america, who wants nothing to do with your lies. im ashamed to be associated with you every time someone references “americans”.


    • George Washington
    • John Adams
    • Thomas Jefferson
    • James Madison
    • James Monroe
    • John Quincy Adams
    • Andrew Jackson
    • William Henry Harrison

    None of these men, all born in foreign countries and fought to create their own, wanted a government the size or scope of our current, tyrannical, oppressive government

    I am just going to start and finish with good ole GW, he was born in Virginia…I have been to that house.

    For someone who hates it here so much with our evil govt. and horrible laws I must ask…why have you not moved back to Russia?


  • Because Russias worse? Im going to have to agree with Jen, the government today is certainly not what our founding fathers had in mind, it frequently oversteps it bounds, but because ignorance is rampant in out country, there is no check.


  • Jen,
    I gotta say, I am with Haxor on this one. Your profound hatred for the US government makes no sense to me. And the people you love REALLY don’t make sense. “fat cats”? Are you unfarmiliar with W’s background at all? He is the son of privledge/ intelligencia (sp). Take away those two things and he is a just a guy that can’t cut it in bussiness.


  • but because ignorance is rampant in out country,

    yes, and your and jen’s opinions on this show two prime examples

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    George Washington was born on British soil, not United States soil. Common, if it was US Soil he couldnt have a revolution, duh. See, this is the type of inane arguement that doesnt make any sense from you all.

    As for a warrent, you are legally required to knock on the door, wait, knock again and THEN if there is no answer you may take methods to enter the house without permanently damaging the property.

    The only time it is legal to break into a home is if you know the criminal is in there and he does not voluntarily surrender himself at the door, OR if there is immediate physical harm to a living human being.

    Guess you never took any criminal justice classes, just decided to pull crap out your arse, as usual.

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