Japan Unveils Largest Warship Since WWII


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    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/japan-unveils-largest-warship-world-war-ii-19878986

    Japan on Tuesday unveiled its biggest warship since World War II, a huge flat-top destroyer that has raised eyebrows in China and elsewhere because it bears a strong resemblance to a conventional aircraft carrier.

    Though technically a destroyer, some experts believe the new Japanese ship could potentially be used in the future to launch fighter jets or other aircraft that have the ability to take off vertically.


  • 2018 2017 2016 '11 Moderator

    Is Japan allowed to have ships large than American Coast Guard cutters?  I thought they were limited to ridiculously small militaries by their surrender treaty to the US after WWII.

    (Hence why Germany and Japan have police carrying M16s…yea, they’re cops, ignore the C-4 explosives and Kevlar jackets, they’re just POLICE, really!)


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    @Cmdr:

    Is Japan allowed to have ships large than American Coast Guard cutters?  I thought they were limited to ridiculously small militaries by their surrender treaty to the US after WWII. (Hence why Germany and Japan have police carrying M16s…yea, they’re cops, ignore the C-4 explosives and Kevlar jackets, they’re just POLICE, really!)

    I don’t know about what size limits (if any) apply to Japanese military hardware, but their armed forces operate in a peculiar constitutional grey zone.  Technically, Japan’s postwar constitution (written under MacArthur’s supervision) prohibits the country from having military forces except for purposes of self-defense.  So instead of having a Japanese Army, a Japanese Navy and a Japanese Air Force, it officially has a Japan Ground Self-Defense Force, a Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force and a Japan Air Self-Defense Force – in other words, an Army, a Navy and an Air Force.


  • 2018 2017 2016 '11 Moderator

    Yea, exactly, does a super destroyer that could, with minimal modifications, be converted to launch F/A 18 attack jets or even worse, F-22 attack jets and strike deep into the hearts of their enemy countries violate their Maritime Self-Defense force limits?

    I don’t begrudge them defense against China.  IMHO anything they can put out to defend themselves helps US defend them (since we are their army, navy and air force essentially.)


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    @Cmdr:

    Yea, exactly, does a super destroyer that could, with minimal modifications, be converted to launch F/A 18 attack jets or even worse, F-22 attack jets and strike deep into the hearts of their enemy countries violate their Maritime Self-Defense force limits?

    Beats me.  Since Japan operates armed forces without calling them armed forces, I don’t know if your question would best be referred to a constitutional lawyer or a public relations firm.

    By the way, regarding what you mentioned about the German police’s M-16 rifles, it’s interesting to note that Germany’s elite counter-terrorism unit GSG-9 is technically (as implied by their full name, “Grenzschutzgruppe 9 der Bundespolizei”) just a “border protection group” of the Federal Police, which makes it sound as if their job is to check passports.


  • 2018 2017 2016 '11 Moderator

    I am sure they do check passports.  They probably have a suspects head sandwiched between the autobahn and their boot while they do it, however.

    Honestly, those are the only cops I’ve ever seen that I was kinda afraid of.  They don’t look anything like you would expect for policemen/women, hell I’ve seen Rangers and Airborne that don’t look that rough and tough!


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    What are you two talking about? German Police using M16?
    They proudly using their good ol’ German stuff ,H&K’s and Walthers don’t they??
    And about the GSG -9 stuff, I must say that sometimes germans describing weird stuff with weird words!  😄 really. But anyway ,it is similar to an American Anti Terror Force.
    The SEK Sonder Einsatz Kommando is more like the american SWAT then the GSG 9 is.


  • 2017 2016 2015 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    This is not a destroyer.



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  • 2018 2017 2016 '11 Moderator

    Yes it is, IL.  The war department said it was!  Just like in WW1 those crates marked “Water Tank” were not tanks.


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    @Imperious:

    This is not a destroyer.

    Actually you are 100% wrong.

    It’s a destroyer.


  • 2018 2017 2016 '11 Moderator

    Today’s destroyer would be what to a WWII cruiser?  I mean outside of it blowing up entire fleets and sinking wings of aircraft with narry a bruised knee of its own crew, lol.


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    In naval terminology, a destroyer is a fast and maneuverable yet long-endurance warship intended to escort larger vessels in a fleet, convoy or battle group and defend them against smaller, powerful, short-range attackers. Destroyers, originally called boat destroyers in 1892,[1] evolved from the response of navies to the threat posed by torpedo boats. Growing from earlier defensive developments, the “torpedo boat destroyer” (TBD) first appeared as a distinct class of warship when HMS Havock and HMS Hornet were commissioned into the Royal Navy in 1894.[2][3] By the time of the Russo-Japanese War in 1904, TBDs were “large, swift, and powerfully armed torpedo boats designed to destroy other torpedo boats.”[4] Although the term destroyer had been used interchangeably with the terms “TBD” and “torpedo boat destroyer” by navies since 1892, the term torpedo boat destroyer had been generally shortened to simply “destroyer” by nearly all navies by the First World War.[5]

    Prior to World War II, destroyers were light vessels with little endurance for unattended ocean operations; typically a number of destroyers and a single destroyer tender operated together. After the war, the advent of the guided missile allowed destroyers to take on the surface combatant roles previously filled by battleships and cruisers. This resulted in larger and more powerful destroyers more capable of independent operation.

    At the beginning of the 21st century, destroyers are the heaviest surface combatant ships in general use, with only three nations (the United States, Russia, and Peru) operating the heavier class cruisers and none operating battleships[6] or true battlecruisers.[7] Modern destroyers, also known as guided missile destroyers, are equivalent in tonnage but vastly superior in firepower to cruisers of the World War II era, capable of carrying nuclear missiles. Guided missile destroyers such as the Arleigh Burke-class class are actually larger and more heavily armed than most previous ships classified as guided missile cruisers, due to their massive size at 510 feet (160 m) long, displacement (9200 tons) and armament of over 90 missiles.[8]

    So… It IS a destroyer.

    And for the record of all time, the statement “This is not a destroyer” is false.

    Also… for the record, I don’t see the big deal here?  The Izumo class ships are just replacing the Hyuga class ships that are already in service

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyūga-class_helicopter_destroyer

    The only difference is that the Izumo is 30% larger.


  • 2017 2016 2015 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    Yep it’s not a destroyer. That link is FAIL as usual.


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Yep it’s classified by naval experts as a destroyer, and again we have an imperious fail.

    Your arrogance triggered the war, get over it. It’s a destroyer.



  • It is referred to as a flat top destroyer. Just because it doesn’t look like one of the Japanese destroyers from A&A doesn’t mean it isn’t.


  • 2017 2016 2015 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    Yep It’s a carrier and another Gargantua Fail. I’m glad you agree. The carrier triggered the war. You lose again.

    And here is my proof based on just goggling “destroyer”


  • 2018 2017 2016 '11 Moderator

    To be honest, the United States has destroyers that carry helicopters but are called destroyers.

    However, FFS that flight deck is the WHOLE SHIP, that’s a carrier.  It might not be big enough to carry 38 wings of stealth bombers, it may not have the flight deck to fire off 108 wings of antiquated tomcat fighters, but it’s a carrier.  If it looks like a duck…

    And for the record, strange looking things on the battlefield draw fire like chocolate draws the attention of 5 year olds.


  • 2018 2017 2016 '11 Moderator

    what, you don’t understand the image?  It’s in plain Mathlish!


  • 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 '14 '13 Moderator

    I think it is an attractive ship, but then I have always liked Destroyers.
    I can never buy enough of them in my A&A games. Ask Garg he can testify to my peculiar fetish.

    I am also glad Japan can buy big naval ships again. As Jen said earlier, they might just need them.


  • 2017 2016 2015 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    Another incomprehensible posting from IL.  Jesus man, use antecedents before you use pronouns…

    Clearly sarcasm goes over simpletons head…


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    @rjpeters70:

    Also, I like how I’m the simpleton because you failed to use antecedents.  Nice.

    Epic WIN.


  • 2017 2016 2015 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    I count four pronouns, only two of which have clear antecdents.  What are the antecedents for the “you” in the second sentence and the “you” in the fourth sentence?

    It appears that I bother you and this makes me happy to no end.  😄

    2. The Priggish Grammar Troll

    No matter what the discussion is about, the Priggish Grammar Troll will ignore the argument and pick on the one word you used incorrectly, like alot or misuses of they re, their and there.

    Yes EPIC WIN INDEED..

    Here is the parade to prove it…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAFc1ED_oPs


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    I can personally recall at least 30 different occasions, that you grammar nazi’d people IL.

    So I’m not really sure where you’re going with this?

    The ship is a destroyer.


  • 2017 2016 2015 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    I can personally recall at least 3000 different occasions, that you troll nazi’d people Gargantua.

    This must be 3001?

    The ship is only a ‘Destroyer’ insofar as the Graf Spee was a 10,000 ton cruiser allowed by the Treaty of Versailles. The Japanese can use any name they want, but the truth is that is a carrier can be used for offensive military operations and is not “defensive” by the requirement of their constitution after 1945.

    Nations often use language in a manner that sweeps away their past.

    820 foot Destroyers do not exist. The Yamato was about 863 feet.

    I call it as i see it. Carrier or CV. Not AC


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