Triple A G40 - Comprehensive list of currently unresolved issues

Interesting,

So the program wont allow you to just erase/kill a phase and, say, go back to the start of the prior phase?

I am not a programer, BTW, so my comments are solely that of a user.

Thanks for the work!

GO BATTLEMAP!  :P

Yea, I agree, it’s annoying to load transports, move and unload into combat, then load more transports move and unload into combat.  Sometimes it’s so bad you have to move transports out, then move the other ones, and undo the move of transports out so you can move them separately.  Not sure when that happens, but it’s happened a few times now.

I just wanted to say, however, that absolutely NONE of the issues in this thread occurs in Battlemap.  :evil:

I’ve seen cheating in TripleA as well.

And battlemap lets you pull 5 or 10 units off a stack with a simple keyboard shortcut, a feature that would make tripleA more enticing for me (it won’t replace Battlemap though, since TripleA uses a LOT of resources and battlemap uses almost none.)

I’ve really come around to Tripple A.  It’s super easy to use and cuts way down on mistakes.  My comments above were merely about improving it.

As for tripple A vs battlemap… sigh.

Tripple A’s 2 big draw backs are (1) the limited view (I don’t care what anyone says, 50% view is about as zoomed out as you can get and still tell what is happening) and (2) that the dice results are incomprehensible. (Not sure if this is just a product of the Marti server). But it is annoying when as the attacker your dice run off the screen and you can’t tell what hit.  This is particularly vexing as a defender. Looking at the Marti results tells you almost nothing without painstakingly reconstructing the battle.

BattleMap is better on both fronts but then is clunky and highly error prone. (not to mention crashes a lot).

I suppose if I were to play some major/super high-stakes game for money or something against a good player I would prefer BattleMap.  Just because you really get to see it all.  In deed BattleMap is about as face to face as you can get on line that I know of.

But for league play Tripple A is great!  :mrgreen:

@Gamerman01:

I can always see all dice, no problem…  Isn’t there a scroll bar?  Are you overlooking it?

holy cow?  there is a scroll bar?  :-P :-P

but even then when you defend you can’t figure out what the dice are, or at least I can’t

@Cmdr:

And battlemap lets you pull 5 or 10 units off a stack with a simple keyboard shortcut, a feature that would make tripleA more enticing for me.

You can press/hold ALT and then left click to select 10 units at a time.  You can ALT right click to deselect 10 units at a time.

(this has been around for like 2 years i think)

Also, after you start a game you can go to the menu called “HELP” and click “movement/selection help”, and it will show you a list of all the keyboard shortcuts.

You can also make the battle window larger by expanding it, to see more stuff.

As far as the view field goes, you can choose to zoom out or get a better monitor.  TripleA on a 4k monitor would be freaking amazing.

Thanks!

I will use that!

I did not realize that was finally added, Gamer/Veq.  Good to know.

Shift+Click for 5, Control+Click for 10 and Shift+Control+Click for all is still kind of ingrained in me, but I’ll try to switch to ALT+Click

I knew about the select ALL units in a territory/sea zone.  But I don’t use ALL units that often…probably because I’m the worst Global 1940 player EVAR!  (best AAR and AARe though!)

@Gamerman01:

U just played too many years with Battlemap, Jenn - old habits die hard  :-)

Are you calling me old now???

:P

Yea, I came after AAR but before AARe or AA50 for sure!  I remember learning about AAR here and thinking it a VAST improvement over classic. (don’t get me wrong, classic is good too, I just like AAR more.)  Then there was the prettiness of HASBRO’s Axis and Allies.  I feel many of the sprites in TripleA are kinda a ripoff of Hasbro’s pieces which I think is where the kernel of my dislike of TripleA might come from. (Believe me, there are many reasons outlined here that added to that nugget!)

TripleA 1.8.0.1 is out, and Global 1940 2nd version 3.9 is out.

There are lot of fixes in each.

Unless someone can post a savegame as evidence of a bug, using both TripleA 1.8.0.1 engine, and Global 1940 2nd Edition version 3.9, (or the latest version of each, in the future), then the following lines need to be removed from the document:

Fixed:
1a) Resolved
2a) Resolved
3a) Paratroopers - Doesn�t allow you to launch paratroopers from your Ally�s air base. (Resolved)
3c) Paratroopers - Does not allow you to add paratroopers (to join an overland or amphibious attack) to attack an undefended enemy territory. (Resolved)
3d) Paratroopers - Counts spaces over land instead of over water even when over water is shorter (That is, does not allow paratroop attacks from West Germany to Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc, for example) (Resolved)
4b) SBR - Triple A has you choose targets before the air battle, but attacker does not have to choose targets until AFTER the air battle. (No evidence of occurring / Can not replicate)
5a) Sub Combat - When an enemy destroyer is present, Triple A still has the subs fire separately first, both on offense and defense.  This forces casualty choices prematurely that should not have to be made. (Resolved)
5b) (is badly worded, see better description below)
5c) Subs - Program sometimes does not allow retreats from enemy subs. (No evidence of occurring / Can not replicate)
9a) China is not subject to convoy disruptions, but this is not programmed into Triple A.  Player will have to manually add back Chinese IPC�s for any the program takes away. (Resolved)
9b) China cannot declare war on Germany/Italy in Triple A.  If Germany/Italy controls Kwangtung or Burma, China should be permitted to declare war on them so that China can invade. (Resolved a long time ago)
11) Resolved
14) Triple A gives you a retreat option when facing only transports, but this is illegal.  You can�t retreat from transports only or AAA only. (No evidence of occurring / Can not replicate)
C) Triple A occasionally thinks a flight path is illegal when it is legal, sometimes even when carriers are not involved.  (No evidence of occurring / Can not replicate)

Gamerman01, i trust you will clean up the document.

I have also updated the Global 1940 and 1942 game notes to include the following, which I view as a complete list of issues:

Edit Mode
If you ever need to create new UK units, always create “British” units, do not create “UK_Pacific” units (except for Factories, all UK_Pacific units turn into British units when placed normally).
The Warbonds technology will give the PUs to the British, please use edit mode if you want some of it to go to UK Pacific.
You may also need to use edit mode to correct things listed below.

Below is a list of rules that the TripleA game engine either does not enforce, or enforces incorrectly, at this point.
Each item starts with a code in parentheses that represents how you may fix or correct the rule.
(PE) = Player Enforced = You must be aware of the rule and must follow it. The engine will not stop you from breaking the rule.
(CL) = Comment Log = You must record what you are doing in the comment log, because TripleA does not keep that information around. (To access the comment log, go to the ‘view’ menu, and click ‘show comment log’, then type a comment there.)
(SR) = Save/Reload = You may save the game now or at the start of the phase, then reload it, in order to solve this problem.
(EM) = Edit Mode = You must use Edit Mode to correct or fix the error, because the engine either disallows the rule or otherwise does something wrong that you can correct.
(NA) = None Available = There is no fix available for this yet.

Rules specific to 1940 the engine does not do, but you must follow:

• (EM) You may ask for permission during your turn to move through a canal owned by a power you are not yet at war with (use edit mode to move them).
• (EM) India (UK Pacific) must pay for repairing any damaged facilities on the pacific half of the board (instead of London paying) (use edit mode to subtrack the PUs from India and give back to London).
• (CL) TripleA does not keep track of which neutral territories have been previously attacked (use comment log to keep track of this instead).
• (PE) You are not allowed to blitz or move any units through Friendly Neutrals, including the same turn they are captured, unless they have been previously attacked.
• (PE) You may not land air units in Friendly Neutrals, including the same turn they are captured, unless they have been previously attacked.
• (PE) You can not fly over unfriendly neutrals, unless they are being attacked or they have previously been attacked.
• (PE) Friendly Neutrals can not be ‘captured’ with an AA Gun, only by land units with an attack power.
• (PE) You may not build facilities on territories that were Dutch at the start of your turn.
• (PE) You may not attack a territory containing units owned by a nation that you are not at war with (even if the territory is owned by someone you are at war with).
• (PE) USA may not end movement in seazone adjacent to Japanese controlled territories when not at war with Japan (Sea Zones 6, 17, 19, 20, 22, 32, 33, 34, 36, and 37).
• (EM) Japan can fly over UK and French territories before going to war with them.
• (EM) USA does not have to declare war at the end of USA 3 if they do not want to.
• (PE) You may not conduct an amphibious assault from an allied transport if the defender could scramble and you have no other combat units to protect that transport.
• (EM) If Russia is at war with Italy, but not with Germany, a German warship in sz125 will cancel Russia’s national objective (and same if at war with Germany but not Italy, and there is an Italian boat in sz125).
• (EM) If UK Pacific captures Japan, the money should go to UK Pacific, even if UK Pacific’s capital is occupied.
• (EM) You must place all units you purchased if you are able to, or as many as you can. Any units not placed get refunded to you (TripleA instead carries them over to the next turn).
• (PE) The victory conditions must be held for a full continuous round after they are achieved (so for example if Italy takes Egypt as the 8th European VC, then the Axis must hold 8 VCs continuously until Italy’s next turn).
• (NA) During an SBR, AA fire and casualty selection should be done on a per-facility-being-attacked basis.
• (EM) Rocket damage to an airfield should occur after scrambling, which means if an airbase is disabled by the rocket attack, it could still scramble this turn.
• (PE) Paratroopers (airborne) may not attack multiple territories from a single airbase.

General rules for all A&A games that the engine does not do, but you must follow:

• (PE) Battles should be resolved in this order: all SBR, then all Amphibious Assaults, then all others.
• (SR or EM) Repairing and Purchase are should actually be done at the same time.
• (CL) TripleA does keep track of which units are on which transports, but there is no easy way to see this information when it is not your turn.
• (CL) TripleA should, but does not keep track of which air units are on which carriers.
• (PE) All air moved must have a way of potentially being picked up or landing, and all air that survives combat MUST be picked up if possible.
• (PE) TripleA should not allow non-combat moves to be done during combat move phase.
• (PE) Only non-air units that did not move during combat move and did not participate in combat, may move during non-combat-move.
• (PE) Transports can only be loaded in 1 phase (not both), and unloaded in 1 phase (not both).
• (PE) Transports if unloading for amphibious assault, must unload all their units, and may not hold back some units while offloading other units.
• (NA) Rocket attacks should all be chosen first, before any dice and results are shown.
• (NA) You should be able to SBR / Rocket attack an empty territory that you are blitzing.
• (NA) Each phase of combat should have all units in that phase fire before any casualty selection occurs, whereas right now in TripleA if air and subs are involved then units might be broken up into smaller groups and casualty selection done for each group.
• (EM) If you select for a bombardment from a sea zone, you should be able to select which units you want to have bombard, but currently all possible units are used.

@Gamerman01:

Of course I’ll update the document.
I’m really glad you made many fixes and improvements, although disappointed that you could not see a problem with 4b, 5c, or 14

But no matter, as long as we know the rules and what to watch out for, we can play G40 using Triple A and properly following the rule book.

I did try and find errors, but for those that I listed as “no evidence / could not replicate”, I could not find any problems.

They should be removed until such a time as someone posts an up-to-date savegame clearly showing the problem.
I would prefer a savegame that is RIGHT BEFORE the error occurs, with instructions on how to make the error occur (such as: click this, move that, and then the error pops up, etc).

Chasing down errors that don’t exist, without any evidence, is a huge drain on time.