How long has this defective game been out & still no definitive Rules changes?

Unfortunately Shakespeare I think they still are doing that. Unlike 8 alpha versions I believe(I don’t know) they are reviewing these issues and listening to the community. I completely agree with you this game should have been playtested more but I think with a few more tweaks this will be the best game. I really like the way it plays it’s just a matter of making it the best it can be. Lets hope that happens.

I think they have moved on to other things.

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=31187.0

@Shakespeare:

How long will it take for Larry Harris and Krieghund to decide that
real substantive changes are not just recommended but necessary?

It has been long enough to gather up all this free playtesting data that has been reported here
and to review all the solutions and recommendations and still all we got is a Tournament FAQ??

Come on get with it!

Oh, so you expect them to just work on this exclusively and ignore everything else in their lives, including family, friends, and work?

They are working on it, just when they are able to. So hold your horses and calm down. They will have something workable for GenCon.

Or, you know, you could follow IP’s link.

I thought this was their full-time job?

I mean… unless Larry also works for the Daily Planet?

We’re all gonna die…

Well if you bother to look at the rules changes…

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=31187.0

you find a non defective game with rule changes…

That doesn’t resolve a thing these so called Potential Rules

Larry made these and they work pretty good. try them. They are not finalized until more time passes. Right now most people love them.

One thing I have a hard time understanding with people like you is…
Why do rules have to be 100% official for you to use?
Seriously, wtf? Is there a barrier preventing you from using them until Larry declares it to be official rules?

In the mean time, we’ll be enjoying the potential rules while you cry over the old ones.

Here you are complaining about the game and the fact that there aren’t any official successor rules, yet you refuse to even try the very rules that probably will replace the old ones simply because you deem them “shoddy” and “untested” without even giving it a chance.

What a joke.

don’t be so aggressive against the team, they’ve done their best.
everything works this way now. last month I bought a car, last week i got some windows, the mirrors are coming tomorrow en i thin somewhere next week i’ll get another door. too bad there were only3 doors, so i’ll have to buy another car to have enough doors.

and of course, I drive with potential traffic rules.

This sounds like the new game thats coming out soon with mannnnnnyyyyyyy Rule issues,  The 2013 Battle of congress!

Why are you posting if all you’re going to do is cry? You’re certainly not helping the situation!

Still waiting.

For your test report of the proposed tournament rules.

Just saying.

A rule set that receives too little playtesting and a game that comes with too few parts are two separate issues.

The first is under the control of the game designer while the second is under the control of the game manufacturer.

And having worked with Larry on other A&A games, even the first issue can be seriously affected by the game manufacturer and its deadlines.

Now don’t get me wrong, I am unhappy with the amount on work that seems to be going on after the fact on games like AA1914 (and AA40 for that matter).  But at least there is work going on after the fact.  Larry could have just washed his hands of the situation and moved on.

The best thing to do is actually be a constructive part of the discussion instead of bitching.  Make your displeasure know and then more forward with helping out.  Otherwise people are just going to tune you out.

Larry is stubborn enough as it is.  You pull this act over on his site, in his face, and see what you get.  Won’t be pretty.

I don’t agree with Shakespeare’s point but I definitely agree that these games are leaving a lot to be desired. Not just from a rules perspective but from a piece perspective. Battle board is tiny. No money and lack of German infantry and chips for both sides. I have played with the new tournament rules however and do love them. If you have the game Shakespeare give them a shot I really like them. I think you will too.