Pearl Harbor Opening for Japan



  • @Gekkepop:

    They’re not, and that’s exactly why.

    Well, anyway what would be your turn 2 buy?

    Cause the US will have alot for his turn 3 attack.

    Also, with Japan investing everything on holding seazone 26, then the UK/anzac will have some room to maneuver around the dutch islands.



  • Turn 2 buy depends on the board, but usually transports and men to capture Sydney.


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    Well, it’s an interesting strategy and idea, but I just don’t think the Japanese can win with this idea. However, if Japan is fighting for Hawaii like this and the US is pouring so much into trying to get it back, that also means the UK and Russia are pretty much on their own against Germany and Italy so you may still get an Axis win.
    England will be stuck on their island unable to get into Europe and having their hands full with Italy while the Russians will get ground down by the massive German onslaught. Churchill and Stalin will be begging for US help, but Roosevelt won’t hear them, being too busy slugging it out with Hirohito over Hawaii while Hitler and Mussolini just laugh and laugh.



  • @knp7765:

    Well, it’s an interesting strategy and idea, but I just don’t think the Japanese can win with this idea. However, if Japan is fighting for Hawaii like this and the US is pouring so much into trying to get it back, that also means the UK and Russia are pretty much on their own against Germany and Italy so you may still get an Axis win.
    England will be stuck on their island unable to get into Europe and having their hands full with Italy while the Russians will get ground down by the massive German onslaught. Churchill and Stalin will be begging for US help, but Roosevelt won’t hear them, being too busy slugging it out with Hirohito over Hawaii while Hitler and Mussolini just laugh and laugh.

    After the US turn 4, he can do nearly all of his builds on the atlantic.  Japan will be in an economic hole and will have a hard time being able to threaten a vc win.  Before US makes an impact in the atlantic.



  • @Gekkepop:

    Turn 2 buy depends on the board, but usually transports and men to capture Sydney.

    J1: 2 TT and 1 Bomber
    J2: 2 Bombers and 1 DD

    Provided you go “all in” with your starting TT by staging them in SZ6 on J1, Anzac will be entirely obligated to send 3 Ftr to Hawaii plus their… Cruiser? from NZ.

    Of course I J1 DOW if I am going to take Hawaii, I strafe Hawaii with 3 Ftr/Tac, 1 DD, 1 SS and 2 Bombers.  I take Wake on J1, fly my bombers to Marshall Islands (after strafing the Hawaii fleet in port), stage all 3 Carriers plus the remaining starting navy in SZ6 at Wake and NCM a DD to Hawaii after I finish the strafe to block the US fleet.

    Basically you invite the US to return to Hawaii on US1 with the full weight of the Japanese navy and half its air force including 3 Bombers waiting to sink it - and you’re still going to take Hawaii on J2 unless Anzac elects to not scramble and instead to defend Hawaii over sinking Japanese ships.

    Of course in doing so, you have 1 single goal in mind:  Make the US spend in the Pacific for 4-5 turns because they won’t be interfering in Europe until at the earliest of round 8 or 9.

    There IS merit in going full out Hawaii, because if the Allies ignore it and spend on Europe, Japan wins the game in round 5.  If they don’t ignore it, and shut Japan down - which will take at least 4 rounds of purchases to do by the US, Germany and Italy should be well on their way to securing their side of the map.

    Of course, the smart strategy is for India to just start sending units to Egypt after UK2 gets them most of the DEI in anticipation of that being the lynchpin of the game.



  • @Spendo02:

    @Gekkepop:

    Turn 2 buy depends on the board, but usually transports and men to capture Sydney.

    Of course in doing so, you have 1 single goal in mind:  Make the US spend in the Pacific for 4-5 turns because they won’t be interfering in Europe until at the earliest of round 8 or 9.

    There IS merit in going full out Hawaii, because if the Allies ignore it and spend on Europe, Japan wins the game in round 5.  If they don’t ignore it, and shut Japan down - which will take at least 4 rounds of purchases to do by the US, Germany and Italy should be well on their way to securing their side of the map.

    I have no idea what you’re thinking here Spendo.  It will not cost the USA 250+ IPC to ruin the Japanese navy stationed at Hawaii.  Meaning, USA will be over in the other theater building turn 3.  If you want the USA to spend in the Pacific for 5 turns, you have to threaten something.

    I can’t get on board with this Hawaii base of operations.  USA will ruin Japan, imho.



  • Japan’s navy would only be in Hawaii for the turn to land the invasion, after which it can swing to Carolines or back to SZ6.  I’ve hashed it out elsewhere and its not a strong strategy unless you are certain the US and Allies will commit everything to Hawaii’s defense for a J2 attack.  Even then, a bad first round dice roll will cost you more ships than is you want to lose.

    A prudent Allied commander would not send his navy to Hawaii with the full weight of the IJN staged to invade Hawaii.  A foolish one would, and would lose sorely and spend multiple turns rebuilding a navy to chase Japan around the Pacific with again.



  • It isn’t a strong strategy the way you described it, but that’s not the one I posted. I’m not moving at Hawaii nor moving to Carolines or SZ6, I’m moving to New Zealand or Queensland to capture Sydney J4. The US has two options: suicide the fleet against me (which will probably stop the fall of ANZAC) or lag a turn behind me, unable to help their ally.



  • I thought we already agreed most of us would block J2 with a destroyer giving the USA the option of sinking your fleet J3 after you take Hawaii?



  • That’s actually not what most people were suggesting, that’s what one guy said while the rest wanted to suicide the fleet. Anyway I’m now trying a variation of the opening where the second transport goes to Carolines instead of Borneo to prevent the block. I would never go for Hawaii J3 against a smart USA player since his fleet should have gotten too big by then.



  • So basically, the transport that starts in sz6, is off the coast of Caroline at the end of J1, right?


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