Operation Dark Skies JamesAleman(axis) vs Allweneedislove

@allweneedislove:

@JamesAleman:

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Hat’s off to allweneedislove, he was willing to let me test this crazy concept. He is backing up his beliefs with games played, …

my belief is that this is a good strategy but i do not think it is more effective than a couple other german strategies.

part of the problem with our testing is it will not convince most players that this is a game breaking strategy.
the problem with our test is even if you win this and other games it does not prove that the strategy is optimal.

right now in the 2013 league if you look at the first couple pages of games the average bid to the allies is 9.5ipc. and the win ratio is still greater for the axis.

so if you win these games you are only proving what others already know. that axis have a big advantage.

for example if we switched sides with the same low 5ipc bid and i were to use either the artillery march to moscow or the tank/truck blitz moscow, i believe that i would win. others use a navy first or sealion strategy and win as the axis. all 4 of these strategies are very different but can result in an axis win.

this is a very close game which has had good play and mistakes on both sides. i am enjoying it and would like to play you again win or lose.

if you are up for another game after this one let me know if you want to bid for sides or have you select a bid. if you end up as allies i can show you what i think is an optimal german strategy that is very different from operation dark skies.

I will be happy to play you again, I may have farted around too long to win this one. We’ll have to see what happens. You can have the axis and I’ll take no bid to play the allies. Then you can show me the better axis play and I’ll see if I can counter it. I typically don’t view other players games here, so I won’t know what to expect.

I will scramble against the Russian sub with Italy. Against the USA I’ll have to see what is sent where.

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 12

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans repair 4 damage on 4 airfields; Remaining resources: 79 PUs;
            Germans buy 1 airfield, 20 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            6 bombers moved from Southern Italy to Morocco
            5 bombers moved from Western Germany to 91 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Southern Italy to 91 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
                  Germans take Normandy Bordeaux from British

Need order of loss in west coast of Gibraltar sea zone….7 bombers only hit 4 times, sorry about that if I got the 5th, we would not have to wait. You have a cv,dd,2ftr so you can choose as you see fit. I bet you will keep the fighter to roll against another bomber if I stay, or maybe you will keep the carrier to temp me…not sure what you will do. Remember the Naval base is damaged in Gibraltar and will remain so for USA’s turn.

Going to be interesting the next few turns, should be slow with scramble and OOL in the battles to come.

Darksky.tsvg

bump, need OOL

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 12

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans repair 4 damage on 4 airfields; Remaining resources: 79 PUs;
            Germans buy 1 airfield, 20 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            6 bombers moved from Southern Italy to Morocco
            5 bombers moved from Western Germany to 91 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Southern Italy to 91 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
                  Germans take Normandy Bordeaux from British

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Morocco
                Germans attack with 6 bombers
                Americans defend with 1 artillery, 2 bombers and 1 infantry
                Germans win with 5 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 19
                Casualties for Germans: 1 bomber
                Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery, 2 bombers and 1 infantry
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 7 bombers
                Russians defend with 1 submarine; Americans defend with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 transport
                1 submarine owned by the Russians Submerged
                Germans win with 5 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 27
                Casualties for Germans: 2 bombers
                Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 transport

Non Combat Move - Germans
            5 bombers moved from 91 Sea Zone to Southern France
            5 bombers moved from Morocco to Southern France
            10 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Southern France
            10 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany
            2 fighters moved from Germany to Western Germany
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Germany
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
            1 aaGun moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            1 artillery moved from Samara to Novosibirsk
            1 infantry moved from Samara to Novosibirsk
            1 infantry moved from Samara to Volgograd
            1 artillery moved from Russia to Samara
            2 infantry moved from Russia to Samara
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Southern France
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Southern France
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Southern France
            2 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Germany
            2 infantry moved from Finland to 115 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Germany

Place Units - Germans
            1 airfield placed in Southern France
            2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Ukraine
            3 infantry placed in Volgograd
            10 infantry placed in Germany
            3 infantry placed in Southern France
            2 infantry placed in Novgorod

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,2
            Germans collect 56 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 56 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 81 PUs

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 12

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 2 destroyers, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            4 carriers, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 12

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 2 destroyers, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            4 carriers, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 6 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 4 carriers, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 4 tactical_bombers
                ANZAC defend with 1 submarine; Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese win, taking 6 Sea Zone from Americans with 4 carriers, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea

Place Units - Japanese
            1 airfield, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Korea
            2 destroyers and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 42 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,6
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 41 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,6
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 44 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3,5
            Japanese collect 22 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 22 PUs total

No thanks, I will intercept the bomber in S. Italy, if it is bombing. Remove the German fighter if you hit. If my air base is not knocked out, I will scramble if I have 3 air units against 2 UK subs, and 2 bombers.

I assume that is all of your combat moves for US?

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 12

Politics - Italians
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Germans and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Italians and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and British from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and UK_Pacific from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and ANZAC from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Dutch from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Chinese from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and French from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Neutral_Allies from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Germans and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Italians and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians repair 4 damage on 4 airfields; Remaining resources: 23 PUs;
            Italians buy 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            2 armour, 3 artilleries and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Turkey
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Turkey
            2 fighters moved from Southern France to Turkey
            1 bomber and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Spain
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Spain

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 12

Politics - Italians
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Germans and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Italians and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and British from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and UK_Pacific from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and ANZAC from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Dutch from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Chinese from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and French from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Neutral_Allies from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Germans and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Italians and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians repair 4 damage on 4 airfields; Remaining resources: 23 PUs;
            Italians buy 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            2 armour, 3 artilleries and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Turkey
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Turkey
            2 fighters moved from Southern France to Turkey
            1 bomber and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Spain
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Spain

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Turkey
                Italians attack with 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 4 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys
                Neutral_True defend with 8 infantry
                Italians win, taking Turkey from Neutral_True with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Neutral_True: 8 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys
            Battle in Spain
                Italians attack with 2 bombers and 8 mech_infantrys
                Neutral_True defend with 6 infantry
                Italians win, taking Spain from Neutral_True with 2 bombers and 5 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Neutral_True: 6 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 3 mech_infantrys

Non Combat Move - Italians
            2 bombers moved from Spain to Northern Italy
            4 aaGuns moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            4 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            2 fighters moved from Turkey to Volgograd
            1 fighter moved from Turkey to Greece

Place Units - Italians
            3 infantry placed in Southern Italy
            2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,4
            Italians collect 24 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 24 PUs total
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 29 PUs