13LG40NT Boldfresh (allies +9) vs seththenewb (axis)


  • Bid is 2 inf in alex and inf in ngu.

    Good luck and have fun!

  • '12

    yeah, should be fun seth.  you gonna win your XDAP game?


  • TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

    Game History

    Round: 1

    Politics - Germans
                Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
                Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Purchase Units - Germans
                Germans buy 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Germans
                1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Baltic States
                1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
                1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bessarabia
                1 armour moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
                1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
                2 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to Eastern Poland
                1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to Eastern Poland
                1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
                1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
                3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
                2 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
                1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone
                1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone

  • '12

    full scramble.


  • @Boldfresh:

    yeah, should be fun seth.  you gonna win your XDAP game?

    I hope so, but dice or a mistake could change it. I think we have the advantage right now though. Japan’s making 85, China and India have gone the way of the dodo bird, Germany will probably take Moscow in a couple more turns at the outside, and the axis have 1 more ipc (172/171). The allies do have about 100 advantage in TUV though and Japan’s not strong enough to take on the massive allied fleet in the pacific. It’ll be an interesting finish for sure.


  • I wiped out sz110 with a loss of tac, sub, bb; szs 106 & 91 were both cwol; and I haven’t rolled any land battles yet. After 1 rd in sz111, you’re down to 1 unit, did you want to keep the bb(d) or ftr?

  • '12

    lucky lucky so far seth.  :lol:  let me see.

  • '12

    which one do you want me to keep?  :wink:

  • '12

    i will keep the ftr seth…. roll on.


  • TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

    Game History

    Round: 1

    Politics - Germans
                Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
                Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese
                    Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Purchase Units - Germans
                Germans buy 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Germans
                1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Baltic States
                1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
                1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bessarabia
                1 armour moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
                1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
                2 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to Eastern Poland
                1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to Eastern Poland
                1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
                1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
                3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
                2 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
                1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone
                1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
                British scrambles 3 units out of United Kingdom to defend against the attack in 110 Sea Zone
                British scrambles 1 units out of Scotland to defend against the attack in 111 Sea Zone
                Battle in 106 Sea Zone
                    Germans attack with 1 submarine
                    British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    Germans win, taking 106 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                    Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                    Germans attack with 1 submarine
                    British defend with 1 cruiser
                    Germans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                    Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
                Battle in 110 Sea Zone
                    Germans attack with 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
                    French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter; British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
                    Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                    Germans win with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 37
                    Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                    Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
                    Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
                Battle in 111 Sea Zone
                    Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers
                    British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                    Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    retreated to 111 Sea Zone
                    British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                    Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
                    Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Battle in France
                    Germans attack with 4 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
                    French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry; British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery
                    Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital
                    Germans converts factory_major into different units
                    Germans win, taking France from French with 4 armour, 3 artilleries and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32
                    Casualties for Germans: 7 infantry
                    Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
                    Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery
                Battle in Baltic States
                    Germans attack with 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                    Russians defend with 3 infantry
                    Germans win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                    Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 2 infantry
                    Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
                Battle in Bessarabia
                    Germans attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                    Russians defend with 2 infantry
                    Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                    Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
                Battle in Eastern Poland
                    Germans attack with 4 armour and 3 infantry
                    Russians defend with 2 infantry
                    Germans win, taking Eastern Poland from Russians with 4 armour and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                    Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
                Moving scrambled unit from 111 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Scotland
                Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French

    Non Combat Move - Germans
                1 fighter moved from Bessarabia to Slovakia Hungary
                1 tactical_bomber moved from Baltic States to Slovakia Hungary
                2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Slovakia Hungary
                3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
                1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
                2 infantry moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone
                3 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
                      Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis
                1 cruiser, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
                2 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
                2 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany

    Place Units - Germans
                1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Germany
                1 bomber placed in Western Germany
                1 destroyer placed in 112 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Germans
                Germans collect 37 PUs; end with 56 PUs total
                Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs


  • @Boldfresh:

    which one do you want me to keep?   :wink:

    Well, I wanted you to keep neither, but I wanted to keep my air even more. Had you kept the bb, I would’ve tried another or two in order to sink her.

  • '12

    i looked at it differently… i figured the battleship was dead in the water and easy for you to kill the following round, esp with your 3 bombers and destroyer.  i figured that was your chance to get the fighter and you might go for it, unfortunately our thoughts were like ships passing in the night.

  • '12

    one or two minor bright(er) spots in the wake of mostly terrible ugliness that round.  your aggressive german openers seem to be working out for you…


  • I have odds in most of the battles for my German opener. Sz106 and sz91 are both 50/50 battles, but the rest favor me. Sometimes I get them and sometimes I don’t. It does tend to put the allies in an early hole if I can manage to get both those 50/50s and the dice are fair in the other battles. It is aggressive, but I try to keep it a manageable aggressive.

  • '12

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

    Game History

    Round: 1

    Politics - Russians
                Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians
                    Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese
                    Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Russians from Neutrality to War
                    Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Chinese from Neutrality to Allied
                    Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly

    Purchase Units - Russians
                Russians buy 3 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Russians
                2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Bessarabia
                1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Bessarabia

    Combat - Russians
                Battle in Bessarabia
                    Russians attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                    Germans defend with 2 infantry
                        Russians roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Bessarabia, round 2 :  1/5 hits
                        Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                        1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia
                        Russians roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Bessarabia, round 3 :  1/4 hits
                        Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                        1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia
                    Russians win, taking Bessarabia from Germans with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                    Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                    Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
                2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
                      Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
                2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bessarabia to Caucasus
                1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
                1 artillery moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
                1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
                2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
                1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
                1 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
                1 infantry moved from Archangel to Novgorod
                2 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
                3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
                1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
                1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
                1 armour moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
                1 armour moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
                6 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
                2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
                6 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia

    Place Units - Russians
                3 infantry placed in Novgorod
                7 mech_infantrys placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
                Russians collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs total
                Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 41 PUs

    Territory Summary for Russians :

    Yakut S.S.R. : 6 infantry
        Buryatia : 2 aaGuns and 12 infantry
        Bryansk : 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
        Bessarabia : 1 infantry
        Russia : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 7 mech_infantrys
        Ukraine : 1 factory_minor
        Volgograd : 1 factory_minor
        Novgorod : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 15 infantry
        Caucasus : 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
        125 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
        114 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser
        Northwest Persia : 1 flag, 1 armour and 2 infantry
        115 Sea Zone : 1 submarine

    Production/PUs Summary :

    Germans : 37 / 61
        Russians : 36 / 41
        Japanese : 26 / 26
        Americans : 52 / 52
        Chinese : 12 / 12
        British : 28 / 28
        UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
        Italians : 10 / 10
        ANZAC : 10 / 10
        French : 15 / 0
        Dutch : 11 / 0
        Mongolians : 0 / 0
        Neutral_Axis : 3 / 0
        Neutral_Allies : 8 / 0
        Neutral_True : 18 / 0

    Dice Statistics:

    Total
                1 was rolled 1 times
                2 was rolled 1 times
                3 was rolled 3 times
                4 was rolled 3 times
                5 was rolled 3 times
                6 was rolled 1 times
            Average roll : 3.750
            Median : 4.000
            Variance : 0.545
            Standard Deviation : 0.739
            Total rolls : 12

    Germans Combat
                1 was rolled 1 times
                3 was rolled 1 times
                5 was rolled 1 times
            Average roll : 3.000
            Median : 3.000
            Variance : 1.500
            Standard Deviation : 1.225
            Total rolls : 3

    Russians Combat
                2 was rolled 1 times
                3 was rolled 2 times
                4 was rolled 3 times
                5 was rolled 2 times
                6 was rolled 1 times
            Average roll : 4.000
            Median : 4.000
            Variance : 0.875
            Standard Deviation : 0.935
            Total rolls : 9

  • '12

    game on seth, game on.  :-)

  • '12

    biggest thing with me, by the way, is i really try to avoid any edits to combat moves once dice have been rolled in a turn.  noncombat edits are fine with me, UNLESS i have already rolled dice on the following turn, in which case, things start to get hairy  :-o


  • I’m usually pretty cool with edits as well. I’ll allow some combat edits depending on the situation; you forgot to walkin to an empty terr or kill an undefended transport, or some such. There’s other things that I might allow depending on who I’m playing, or the specific situation. But usually nothing that directly affects combat. You leave 20 tanks at home when you hit Moscow, well that’s on you.  :-D


  • TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

    Game History

    Round: 1

    Politics - Japanese
                Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to War
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to War
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to War
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
                Trigger Russians Allied Americans 5: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutrality to Allied

    Purchase Units - Japanese
                Japanese buy 1 factory_minor and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Japanese
                Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttatchment attached to Japanese
                1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
                2 infantry moved from Siam to French Indo China
                      Japanese take French Indo China from French
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
                2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung
                1 fighter moved from Formosa to 37 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
                2 bombers moved from Japan to 37 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
                      Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
                1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
                      Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to 20 Sea Zone
                1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone
                1 artillery moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone
                1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Okinawa to Kwangtung
                2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Kwangtung
                1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
                1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Kwangtung
                1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
                1 battleship moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
                2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Philippines


  • Need scramble orders for Phi and Haw.

    Btw, I just saw what your Russians did. Very aggressive start by them as well.

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