• Ottomans got one BC (Goeben) and on LC (Breslau) from Germany and that tipped the balance in the Black Sea slightly in their favour!

    @KimRYoung
    The overwhelming majority of UK Submarines were obsolete, unfit for high seas operations. Did you ever see pictures of their older models? They could hardly sail a mile away from the shore! :-D

    Again, do not simply count units!

    For this game historical accuracy surely was not in the focus!
    So at this point I think changing the French Dreadnought to a cruiser and remove one transport should be enough for now to play some games and see how things go!

    Apropos historical accuracy: My next big post in my C&E thread will handle that and make some remarks to the setup!


  • Well combine the Dreadnoughts for Battleships

    Combine all the cruisers

    I have no idea why they skipped destroyers. More of them than all the other warships combined.

    Ottomans got one BC (Goeben) and on LC (Breslau) from Germany but that tipped the balance in the Black Sea slightly in their favour!

    Yea that came latter however, not at start of war.

    The overwhelming majority of UK Submarines were obsolete

    Almost all the submarines for all nations were coastal subs, they didn’t use them like Germany. Only for defense.


  • I would say that Munich should be a production center for germany.  Or maybe even Rhur.


  • @KimRYoung
    The overwhelming majority of UK Submarines were obsolete, unfit for high seas operations. Did you ever see pictures of their older models? They could hardly sail a mile away from the shore! grin

    I don’t disagree. But giving them at least one would be nominal. I see a bigger issue in the strength of the French fleet for historical strength, would be curious as to why Larry gave them 2 battleships and Germany one. The Allies certainly do not need another battleship in the Med.

    Germany should have the second strongest fleet at the start second only to England. The French should have one less battleship and the Germans one more.

    Kim


  • Well using your numbers IL,

    BBs at 20:1
    CAs at 20:1
    SSs at 25:1
    DDs at 40:1
    These factors bring the boat count down to respectable game numbers.

    France: 1 BB; 1 CA; 3 SS; 2 DD
    UK: 3 BB; 6 CA; 3 SS; 5 DD
    Italy: 1 CA; 1 SS; 1 DD
    USA: 2 BB; 2 CA; 1 SS; 1 DD
    Russia: 1 CA; 1 SS; 1 DD
    A-H: 1 BB; 1 DD
    Germ: 2 BB; 2 CA; 1 SS; 2 DD
    Turk: 1 CA*(from Germany)

    Id say transports give Germ 1; France 1; UK 3-5

    @ghr2:

    I would say that Munich should be a production center for germany.  Or maybe even Rhur.

    I concur here


  • Maybe give France and uk each 1 sub and germ 2


  • Replace the French Atlantic battleship with a cruiser, take away one of their transports.
    Give the Germans a transport so Russia can’t be as aggressive.


  • For conversion take 2 Pre-Dreadnoughts as 1 Dreadnought!

    Battlecruisers as a seperate unit or as Dreadnoughts (if you want to skip them for now!)

    Cruisers in a 1-2-3 ratio.

    @Uncrustable
    USA should only get 1 DR.
    IT does not reflect actual strength if all that divides G and USA would be 1 Ds!

    Subs should get a far lower ratio as they were virtually unmatched for the first 2 years of the war. In fact there were almost no means to fight them.
    For example: UK used over 200 destroyers in the Med, North Sea and Atlantic to hunt them and all that this enormous “fleet” managed in 2 years was sinking 3(!) subs (the other German sub losses were caused by mines or accident!). ASW like Hydrophones and Depthcharges were introduced 1916, convoy escort even 1917.

    Give Germany 2 or 3.
    Give Uk 2 or 3 (but only 1 high seas sub!)
    Give France 1 or 2 (if 2 one coastal)


  • I counted battlecruisers as 2 cruisers and other cruisers as one half. Also as I suggested give France and uk each 1 sub and germ 2. There are no “coastalsubs” in A&A lol so pointless to talk about them. Change UK to 2 BBs and USA to 1


  • @oztea:

    Replace the French Atlantic battleship with a cruiser, take away one of their transports.
    Give the Germans a transport so Russia can’t be as aggressive.

    This is what I would do w/French BB anyway, from what I’ve recently read the focus of the French navy in 1914 was in the Med, because they feared an Austria/Italian alliance (yeah, I know the game starts w/Italy on the allies side, but the bulk of the French fleet was still in the Med). The French had several cruisers/destroyers off the Atlantic coast/English Channel supplementing the British navy, but the bulk of their fleet (including all their biggest guns) was in the Med. Plus they didn’t have more big ships then the Germans, so this is a good move IMO. I think the French Med BB will venture out to the Atlantic more times then not to bolster the UK fleet rebuild. The Med would still be really rough on the CP, but I think it is intended to be that way.

    Link showing where the French fleet was, and its goals in 1914
    http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyFrench.htm

    If you make the French Atlantic BB a cruiser (this should happen), the Germans get a 3rd option/target and could attempt to sink the French Atlantic fleet instead of the Canadian fleet. I think you would probably remove the French Atlantic transport as well leaving the 2 French Med transports (the Med is where the French had the most transport ability, because the bulk of its fleet was there to escort). I don’t think you want the French to end up with just 1 transport (still need to pick up the Portuguese). So that leaves the French Atlantic fleet with just a cruiser, still making the Canadian fleet the Germans second target (after the UK home fleet), which is good for the game IMO.

    As far as the German transport, I think that should wait for now. I’m not sure the Germans should have the option to make landings in northern Russia, or Scotland (on the first turn). There’s nothing to counter it w/only a single inf able to counter attack in those territories.

    An earlier post suggested an Austrian sub be added to the set up (I too was leaning that way). I changed my mind based on what I read, the Austrians didn’t have many subs. In 1915 the Germans had subs delivered to the Adriatic and sailed under the Austrian flag, but had German commanders (Germany wasn’t yet at war w/Italy). Being this takes place after the game starts (and I know Italy starts the game already at war), I think the Austrians shouldn’t get a sub at set-up (if they want one, build one), because it would give them attack capabilities from the get go they didn’t have as far as game terms. The Austrian navy was a fleet in being, and their big ships didn’t leave port (was a defensive deterrent, as the game shows w/mines etc…). This plus an Austrian sub could sneak under the Italian fleet and hit the UK cruiser/transport in sz 19 so it would have to be moved, or boosted (and boosted wouldn’t be good for the CP).

    Edit:
    Maybe place a German sub with the Austrian navy, as this would only bolster their defense, but not attack capabilities. Being subs can move through enemy fleets w/o stopping, maybe this would be of some help down there (like slithering over to the Turk fleet)? You would still have the problem w/UK Egyptian fleet (as above)

    So at this time I would be against an Austrian sub, and/or a German transport added at set-up, but would definitely be on board with reducing the French Atlantic BB to a cruiser, and removing the Atlantic transport as well (leaving just a French cruiser in sz15 at set-up). This would give the CP somewhat of a chance if they started building navy, or a better chance to control either the Atlantic, or possibly the Med for at least a short period of time (and would also be cool to test).

    Edit: Maybe also look at a German sub placed w/Austrian fleet at set-up? But now you would have to chip subs at set-up LOL, unless you also removed one of the starting Germans Atlantic subs too, and then there’s the UK Egyptian fleet (German sub could take a shot at it) .

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