Minor factories on capure of territory

@surfer said in Can US upgrade Japanese Factory after capture:

Nope. You can only upgrade factories on territories that you originally own/start with.

Actually a power can only upgrade on territories originally controlled by that power.
That does not necessarily include territories a power starts with.
For example Japan starts with Manchuria, that is originally controlled by China.

@Mark-Prinsen Welcome to the forum.

@barnee said in Dutch territories:

Someone will probably quote the rule book for you.

OK then, here are the quotes from the Pacific 1940.2 rulebook:

Page 32 for Transport:
“Loading onto and/or offloading from a transport counts as a land unit’s entire move; it can’t move before loading or after
offloading. Place the land units alongside the transport in the sea zone. If the transport moves in the Noncombat Move phase, any number of units aboard can offload into a single friendly territory.”

Page 38/39 for UK/ANZAC:
"It may, however, take control of Dutch territories (gaining their IPC income) by moving land units into them as a
noncombat movement, as long as they have not yet been captured by an Axis power. "

That an AA Gun does not qualify has been clarified by Krieghund, for example here:
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/34431/uk-anzac-aaa-convert-dutch-territories

I agree with Simon about the use of US transports in the Pacific. You wipe out the Japanese navy and take back the islands and the mainland. Shuck your troops to Europe and take out Germany and Italy. Japan will be forced to surrender. You know, just like WW2. Unless the Japanese player has been smoking crack you will spend all day assaulting Tokyo while Germany makes mincemeat out of Russia and the UK.

My original calculations did not even consider that Japan has to repair the damage it causes. That extra cost means that over two rounds of strat bombing Japan is at around zero net-gain even if no strat bombers were lost in the process.

Marsh

Thanks. I will look again next week. (If I remember my password!)
Enjoy your weekend.

Thanks again for the inputs. :-)

So, to sum up the issue. US IC upgrade cases are listed below.

1.) US buy the upgrade with money before (or even after) being at war
–> the upgrade is done during the mobilize new units phase of this turn, therefore, the 10 production capacity is available only in the next turn.
2.) not one attack or provoke US up to turn 3.
–> During the US3 collect income phase, US goes into war anyway. turn 3 mobilize phase gone already. wait for next turn please.
3.) US is being declared war on by an Axis.
–> US become at war immediately and IC upgrade immediately. On the start of next US turn, US has the major IC already, everything proceed as usual.
4.) US is not being declared war on, but was given the pretext to go to war. possible cases: Japan makes unprovoked war declaration on UK/ANZAC, Axis capture of London or any territory in North America.
–> it’s a little subtle here, but in short, US will be able to buy in large order. US is still having the 3 minor IC only at the start of the turn. she can make a over production purchase order (20 inf or something), go on to declare war at the beginning of Combat Phase. IC gets upgraded immediately. When US reaches the mobilize phase in the same turn, the now-Major IC are ready to produce the once-over-large order.

ok. one less reason for Japan to make a “UK+ANZAC” war declaration than to make a “all Allies” war declaration.  :wink:

Wooo! Boys! start loading your American AA Guns into trns and taking friendly nuetrals!

All powers whose capitals are under enemy control work the same way.  If an ally recaptures their territory from the enemy, that ally gains control of the territory until the capital is liberated.  If they simply move into the territory while it is still under original control, nothing happens.  France in AAP40 is treated as a power whose capital is under enemy control.