More progressive, or more screwed up?


  • This article was published in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on July
    30,2003. It’s worth reading.
    It’s not just the weather that’s cooler in Canada
    Wednesday, July 30, 2003

    You live next door to a clean-cut, quiet guy. He never plays loud
    music or throws raucous parties. He doesn’t gossip over the fence,
    just smiles politely and offers you some tomatoes. His lawn is
    cared-for, his house is neat as a pin and you get the feeling he
    doesn’t always lock his front door. He wears Dockers. You hardly know
    he’s there.
    And then one day you discover that he has pot in his basement, spends
    his weekends at peace marches and that guy you’ve seen mowing the
    yard is his spouse.
    Allow me to introduce Canada.

    The Canadians are so quiet that you may have forgotten they’re up
    there, but they’ve been busy doing some surprising things. It’s like
    discovering that the mice you are dimly aware of in your attic have
    been building an espresso machine.

    Did you realize, for example, that our reliable little tag-along
    brother never joined the Coalition of the Willing? Canada wasn’t
    willing, as it turns out, to join the fun in Iraq. I can only assume
    American diner menus weren’t angrily changed to include “freedom
    bacon,” because nobody here eats the stuff anyway.

    And then there’s the wild drug situation: Canadian doctors are
    authorized to dispense medical marijuana. Parliament is considering
    legislation that would not exactly legalize marijuana possession, as
    you may have heard, but would reduce the penalty for possession of
    under 15 grams to a fine, like a speeding ticket. This is to allow
    law enforcement to concentrate resources on traffickers; if your
    garden is full of wasps, it’s smarter to go for the nest rather than
    trying to swat every individual bug. Or, in the United States, bong.

    Now, here’s the part that I, as an American, can’t understand. These
    poor benighted pinkos are doing everything wrong. They have a drug
    problem: Marijuana offenses have doubled since 1991. And Canada has
    strict gun control laws, which means that the criminals must all be
    heavily armed, the law-abiding civilians helpless and the government
    on the verge of a massive confiscation campaign. (The laws have been
    in place since the '70s, but I’m sure the government will get around
    to the confiscation eventually.) They don’t even have a death
    penalty!

    And yet … nationally, overall crime in Canada has been declining
    since 1991. Violent crimes fell 13 percent in 2002. Of course, there
    are still crimes committed with guns – brought in from the United
    States, which has become the major illegal weapons supplier for all
    of North America – but my theory is that the surge in pot-smoking
    has rendered most criminals too relaxed to commit violent crimes.
    They’re probably more focused on shoplifting boxes of Ho-Hos from
    convenience stores.

    And then there’s the most reckless move of all: Just last month,
    Canada decided to allow and recognize same-sex marriages. Merciful
    moose, what can they be thinking? Will there be married Mounties
    (they always get their man!)? Dudley Do-Right was sweet on Nell, not
    Mel! We must be the only ones who really care about families. Not
    enough to make sure they all have health insurance, of course, but
    more than those libertines up north.

    This sort of behavior is a clear and present danger to all our
    stereotypes about Canada. It’s supposed to be a cold, wholesome
    country of polite, beer-drinking hockey players, not founded by
    freedom-fighters in a bloody revolution but quietly assembled by
    loyalists and royalists more interested in order and good government
    than liberty and independence.

    But if we are the rugged individualists, why do we spend so much of
    our time trying to get everyone to march in lockstep? And if
    Canadians are so reserved and moderate, why are they so progressive
    about letting people do what they want to?

    Canadians are, as a nation, less religious than we are, according to
    polls. As a result, Canada’s government isn’t influenced by large,
    well-organized religious groups and thus has more in common with
    those of Scandinavia than those of the United States, or, say, Iran.

    Canada signed the Kyoto global warming treaty, lets 19-year-olds
    drink, has more of its population living in urban areas and accepts
    more immigrants per capita than the United States.

    These are all things we’ve been told will wreck our society. But I
    guess Canadians are different, because theirs seems oddly sound.

    Like teenagers, we fiercely idolize individual freedom but really
    demand that everyone be the same. But the Canadians seem more adult – more
    secure. They aren’t afraid of foreigners. They aren’t afraid of
    homosexuality. Most of all, they’re not afraid of each other.
    I wonder if America will ever be that cool.
    Samantha Bennett can be reached at sbennett@post-gazette.com or
    412-263-3572.


  • You live next door to a clean-cut, quiet guy. He never plays loud
    music or throws raucous parties

    What a boring guy.

    And then one day you discover that he has pot in his basement,

    Shoot him in the head. Its good for the enviroment.

    spends his weekends at peace marches

    This guy just wants me to hate him, doesnt he?

    It’s like
    discovering that the mice you are dimly aware of in your attic have
    been building an espresso machine.

    That would be the coolest thing ever.

    Did you realize, for example, that our reliable little tag-along
    brother never joined the Coalition of the Willing? Canada wasn’t
    willing, as it turns out, to join the fun in Iraq.

    Then they are stupid.

    “freedom bacon,”

    Yea, that was pretty dumb.

    And then there’s the wild drug situation: Canadian doctors are
    authorized to dispense medical marijuana.

    Stupid practice, no benefit.

    Parliament is considering
    legislation that would not exactly legalize marijuana possession, as
    you may have heard, but would reduce the penalty for possession of
    under 15 grams to a fine, like a speeding ticket

    Thats disgraceful. I mean, it makes logical sense on first glance, but they should be made an example, to stop others.

    This is to allow
    law enforcement to concentrate resources on traffickers; if your
    garden is full of wasps, it’s smarter to go for the nest rather than
    trying to swat every individual bug. Or, in the United States, bong.

    True, but when you catch a wasp, you smite it. :wink:

    They don’t even have a death
    penalty!

    Thats shameful

    And yet … nationally, overall crime in Canada has been declining
    since 1991.

    good for them, still havent changed my mind though

    And then there’s the most reckless move of all: Just last month,
    Canada decided to allow and recognize same-sex marriages. Merciful
    moose, what can they be thinking? Will there be married Mounties
    (they always get their man!)? Dudley Do-Right was sweet on Nell, not
    Mel! We must be the only ones who really care about families. Not
    enough to make sure they all have health insurance, of course, but
    more than those libertines up north.

    I dont disagree with any of the points this paragraph is making

    This sort of behavior is a clear and present danger to all our
    stereotypes about Canada. It’s supposed to be a cold, wholesome
    country of polite, beer-drinking hockey players, not founded by
    freedom-fighters in a bloody revolution but quietly assembled by
    loyalists and royalists more interested in order and good government
    than liberty and independence.

    The thing I like about those Canadians, is they dont make generalizations. They are too busy playing hockey, drinking beer, and putting maple syrup on their ham.

    Canadians are, as a nation, less religious than we are, according to
    polls.

    too bad id kill myself before living there.

    As a result, Canada’s government isn’t influenced by large,
    well-organized religious groups and thus has more in common with
    those of Scandinavia than those of the United States, or, say, Iran.

    See? except in the case of Canada, the world is a better place without religion

    lets 19-year-olds
    drink,

    Thats terrible. Besides being against alcohol, i heard somewhere (it was a while ago) that the 21 year old drinking age is based on research showing how drinking when you are younger is detrimental to your health (above and beyond the normal detrimental effects of alcohol)

    has more of its population living in urban areas and accepts
    more immigrants per capita than the United States.

    why are either of those good things? and besides the US has already had its share of immigration

    They aren’t afraid of foreigners. They aren’t afraid of
    homosexuality. Most of all, they’re not afraid of each other.

    Im not afraid of any of that either. Im still not a canadian though 8)

    See, the overall message is, Canada is like a loft apartment over a really great party. :D


  • @Janus1:

    The thing I like about those Canadians, is they dont make generalizations. They are too busy playing hockey, drinking beer, and putting maple syrup on their ham.

    The ultimate symbol of how boring Canada is: Janus is unable to come up with more than one insult for them.


  • Exactly! But I just like that one, it has a nice ring to it. Besides, I put another one at the end, the loft apartment thing.


  • Hockey > America


  • @Anonymous:

    Did you realize, for example, that our reliable little tag-along brother never joined the Coalition of the Willing? Canada wasn’t
    willing, as it turns out, to join the fun in Iraq.

    Their government is free to make its own decisions. We’ve seen from the past which way PM Cretien usually leans, so no surprise there.
    @Anonymous:

    And yet … nationally, overall crime in Canada has been declining since 1991. Violent crimes fell 13 percent in 2002. Of course, there are still crimes committed with guns – brought in from the United States, which has become the major illegal weapons supplier for all of North America…

    Great! Violent crime decreases so they make private gun ownership illegal. Where’s the connection?
    Canadian law made law abiding gun owners criminals and legal gun trade illegal. The US could make Canada a rogue state by making the import of lumber illegal!
    @Anonymous:

    Canada signed the Kyoto global warming treaty…

    No affect there. When they follow the rules they agreed to and other nations don’t let’s see how long they keep it up. They were way ahead because of the bonuses they had due to “live timber” if I recall my Kyoto Accord.
    @Anonymous:

    They aren’t afraid of foreigners. They aren’t afraid of homosexuality. Most of all, they’re not afraid of each other.

    I’m aware of those around me. not afraid of them. I previously lived in an apartment building of 24 apartments, 11of which were occupied by individual gays or gay couples(1984-1995.) Of the 19 gays I knew well(not that well!) all but 3 are dead from AIDS.

    Let’s check back in ten(10) years and see what’s up.


  • @Yanny:

    Hockey > America

    Explain, please. Does that mean hockey is greater than america? Does it mean canada is hockey? Or does it have some deeper, more sinister meaning?


  • @Grigoriy:

    @Yanny:

    Hockey > America

    Explain, please. Does that mean hockey is greater than america? Does it mean canada is hockey? Or does it have some deeper, more sinister meaning?

    :o I…I think he’s saying…“ctm, you may have complete control of the forums.”

    I graciously accept :)


  • @El:

    Great! Violent crime decreases so they make private gun ownership illegal. Where’s the connection?
    Canadian law made law abiding gun owners criminals and legal gun trade illegal. The US could make Canada a rogue state by making the import of lumber illegal!

    From how i read it, it was the other way 'round. They first made strict gun control laws, and then the number of violent crimes decreased.
    For the “make gun owners illegal”… well, they have the choice: they can give up their guns or try to get within the more strict rules. (BTW, that’s more of a choice than the people working at sweat shops usually have, but that’s OT and please, don’t go further into that here). From what i know, there is quite a large number of legal hunters, so they still will have guns, although it won’t be hand guns, but hunting rifles.
    I mean, who really needs semi-automatic rifles for hunting ducks, that’s like using your PC as a pocket calculator only, or like driving a tank in some kind of stock car race.


  • too bad id kill myself before living there.

    We would kill you rather than have you live here. We have to keep our country free of redneck, family loving, hillbillies.

    In the province I live in, the drinking age is 18.

    Thats terrible. Besides being against alcohol, i heard somewhere (it was a while ago) that the 21 year old drinking age is based on research showing how drinking when you are younger is detrimental to your health (above and beyond the normal detrimental effects of alcohol)

    Yes, I’m sure that’s why they made the drinking age 21…its health related. Dumb.
    Surly no American under the age 21 drinks alcohol.

    Then they are stupid.

    I agree with you here.

    The ultimate symbol of how boring Canada is….

    Have you ever been to Canada? I been to the US a few times ( to seperate holidays in Denver) and there is no difference that I can see, except saying “EH”.

    Janus is unable to come up with more than one insult for them.

    Maybe Janus isn’t that witty

    I’m aware of those around me. not afraid of them. I previously lived in an apartment building of 24 apartments, 11of which were occupied by individual gays or gay couples(1984-1995.) Of the 19 gays I knew well(not that well!) all but 3 are dead from AIDS. Let’s check back in ten(10) years and see what’s up.

    So, what are you saying here? The vast majority of gay Canadians will be dead from aids in 10 years?
    Maybe in 10 years you will have joined the 21st century. :lol:


  • just an fwi - i posted this (didn’t sign in tho’ for some reason).
    please note that i don’t necessarily disagree or agree with all that the author was saying, however i did find it interesting that an American wrote this.
    cc


  • @Mr:

    Have you ever been to Canada? I been to the US a few times ( to seperate holidays in Denver) and there is no difference that I can see, except saying “EH”.

    No, but I have been accused of being a Canuck multiple times (I live in Wisconsin) and my state has also been accused of being little different from Canada, which it probably is. :roll:

    Note: I vehemently deny being Canadian, not because of any special hatred towards Canada, but because it just p***es me off for some reason. (And because I’m not)


  • @F_alk:

    From how i read it, it was the other way 'round. They first made strict gun control laws, and then the number of violent crimes decreased.

    Negative. The crime rate began to fall in 1991, but the gun laws were instigated in the mid to late 1990’s.


  • I dunno… Canada really isn’t that different from the US except for the higher taxes (though they do have nicer looking cities) and they don’t celebrate their independence day. But still, I like Canada just because I live in Los Angeles. A change of scenery is nice once in awhile.


  • We would kill you rather than have you live here. We have to keep our country free of redneck, family loving, hillbillies.

    If you knew me, youd know that I am far from a redneck hillbilly (and the family loving, thats just sick dude, dont mix me in with that)

    Yes, I’m sure that’s why they made the drinking age 21…its health related. Dumb.
    Surly no American under the age 21 drinks alcohol.

    Sarcasm noted, and appreciated. I have no idea why they made the drinking age 21, nor do i care, i dont drink, and i dont have any desire to. i was merely passing along info i recieved which could have had an influence on the drinking age. And im sure no one in canada drinks under 18.

    Have you ever been to Canada? I been to the US a few times ( to seperate holidays in Denver) and there is no difference that I can see, except saying “EH”.

    yes. i have, a few times. and its a nice place to visit, but i could never live there. and i dont disagree with you being very similar, the US is not a particularly interesting place, could be even more boring than canada, but i live here, so im used to it. ive been to a number of countries, and canada happens to be the most boring one ive visited, thus, why i call it boring (although i now realize that i think that comment was to someone else)

    Maybe Janus isn’t that witty

    I resent that, im very witty. So there! :wink:


  • @El:

    Negative. The crime rate began to fall in 1991, but the gun laws were instigated in the mid to late 1990’s.

    The author says the laws were implemented in the 70’s …

    Could one of the canadians please enlighten us?


  • We’ve had tight gun control laws for years.
    Recently a gun-registration system has been implemented amidst a maelstorm of controversy due to its cost and perceived efficacy.

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