@Cow:
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the whole point of the middle east / africa NO is to make up for the loss of London should germany take it… which happens often in games.
I don’t really see the problem with the NO. It is pretty easy to stomp russia as germany if you go barb as long as Japan is doing his job in the pacific and trying to win. The allies have a hard time saving russia while stopping japan.
There is a reason why some people refuse to play the allies with less than 10 bid… especially low luck games.
Just because that is the “whole point” does not mean it is a good reason to have it. It does not just “make up” for the loss of London: the NO makes sealion a doomed strategy. I don’t see why it needs to be that dead sealion=good.
You make it sound in an earlier post as though the USA MUST commit everything right away after sealion retake London. With Sealion, Russia can easily outearn Germany for a good several turns, and easliy push into eastern europe and get Romania, Poland, and Slovakia, and sometimes bulgaria for a turn or two. If Germany doesn’t invest a lot in protecting their fleet from even modest american (or even soviet) threat, then Norway and Finland are easily Soviet for a long while too. USSR does not need USA to forfeit the game in the Pacific for USSR to survive.
We all know that Germany can stomp Russia if they go Barbarossa. We Know. We Get it. We Know. What I have been saying is that this NO from many of the games I have watched and played is what really kills SEALION.
The main question that I am asking is if this NO is a mistake because of what it does with Sealion? Saying that Germany can just go Barbarossa to avoid the NO is not the point and has never been the point. With sealion neutered tons from A2 from AA guns taking hits and the German NO for UK being gone, and this NO really coming into play only when Germany goes sealion, is it really any good at all for the game? Isn’t sealion already deterred enough relative to A2?