No love for bulge?


  • 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12

    I bought bulge for $11 on eBay today.  I had to do a double take but still not sure why some one would sell it so cheap.  The seller said it was played twice and was complete so I got it for a friend.  Shame that the shipping was more then the game ($12)

    It was like a puppy in the window. I had to take that runt of a game home and $23 was just to sad to leave behind.  Maybe I’ll find AA50 for $19.


  • 2020 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 Moderator

    Play it slowly, as the supply rules coupled with movement make getting used to them quite hard. We played it wrong so many times before we got it right.
    Enjoy it.


  • 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12

    Yea. It’s a fun game. You must “unlearn” all you know about traditional AA games.


  • 2020 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    And it comes with nice little trucks, the German models of which sell for a pretty penny on the secondary market.


  • 2020 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 Moderator

    I lost one quite quickly, which is a pain!
    My own fault for vacuuming the house twice a day, I suppose.


  • 2020 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    @wittmann:

    I lost one quite quickly, which is a pain!
    My own fault for vacuuming the house twice a day, I suppose.

    That was the equivalent of vacuuming up $2.50 US in loose change:

    http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/Truck–Germany-Battle-of-the-Bulge_p_183.html


  • 2020 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 Moderator

    That is ridiculous.
    I would pay that for a Tiger. Or a Ferdinand. (Kursk, please Larry!)


  • 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12

    Oh good, I thought I was the only one who vacuumed twice daily.


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Twice monthly is pushing it… lol.



  • seriously $2.50 per truck ? and Battle of the Bulge is one of the games i’m contemplating getting rid of too, why are the trucks so much ?


  • 2020 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    @Scarapis:

    why are the trucks so much ?

    Rarity, I presume.  Each game box contains about twice as many US trucks as German ones, which (I assume) explains why HBG sells the German truks for a dollar more apiece than the US ones (which are $1.50).  And trucks are a very uncommon A&A unit compared to the tons of (let’s say) Sherman tanks that have appeared over the years, so that boosts the price of both the US and German ones.


  • 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12

    I want to say there are 16 US trucks and 6 German ones.



  • @hkytown1:

    I want to say there are 16 US trucks and 6 German ones.

    12 US trucks and 6 German trucks.


  • 2020 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 Moderator

    If you don’t like them I suggest vacuuming as often as me.
    Actually,  I can see a crumb by one of my new Tigers…



  • If you can find the game for $30 or less then it’s worth it just for the trucks. It’s the samething with Hellcats and the Italian units from AA50 the Italians are so rare you can’t even find them for sale.


  • 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12

    Yea, I just saw dude was selling it for $11 and had to grab it…I forgot how much the trucks cost.


  • 2020 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 Moderator

    Are the Hellcats In Anniversary?
    I forget.


  • 2020 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    The Hellcat showed up in the original Pacific game and in Guadalcanal, but not in Anniversary.


  • 2020 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 Moderator

    Thanks Marc. Was being lazy(was in bed, as mum and dad have my 3 year old on Saturday nights). Could have opened the boxes.
    Should remove all the units from Guadalcanal as have only opened the box twice in 3 years.



  • @hkytown1:

    I bought bulge for $11 on eBay today.  I had to do a double take but still not sure why some one would sell it so cheap.

    The game sports some innovative mechanics, and while the gameplay is moderately interesting, the thing is just incredibly ugly… The board, rulebook, and reinforcement cards are depressing to look at. Everything is a flat grey, rivers are just dark grey crosshatches on light grey background. Sure, it’s a ‘winter’ game, but it has no winter rules to give it flavor, so they just represented that fact with the blah-boring background. I’m certain that with the right artistic direction, this game could have been waaay more popular than it was. The supply rules, casualty randomization, and retreat-push mechanics have significant replayability, nevertheless, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the basic engine of BotB pops its head up again in another land-based battle title in the future, e.g. Stalingrad or El Alamein. Here’s hoping that something along those lines ends up getting produced (although I’m personally plumping for a reprise of the underrated and highly-engaging Guadalcanal system)!

    Best,

    MIR


  • 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12

    Everything has a “cheap” feeling to the game.  I complained about the goofy storage system that came with the game, now look what we get in these new games….nothing.

    I like the game and my buddy borrowed it, played with his son and they enjoyed it so its going to them.


  • 2020 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 '13 Moderator

    I love it. Love that the Historical units are listed. Makes it more real for me.


  • Official Q&A 2007 AAR League

    @Make_It_Round:

    Sure, it’s a ‘winter’ game, but it has no winter rules to give it flavor, so they just represented that fact with the blah-boring background. I’m certain that with the right artistic direction, this game could have been waaay more popular than it was. The supply rules, casualty randomization, and retreat-push mechanics have significant replayability, nevertheless, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the basic engine of BotB pops its head up again in another land-based battle title in the future, e.g. Stalingrad or El Alamein. Here’s hoping that something along those lines ends up getting produced…

    While I really like the “basic engine” of BOTB and hope to see it again, I disagree that the game would have been more popular with better graphic design of the set. While I agree that the set is pretty bland one reason it is unpopular is the basic engine. It is too different than the global Axis and Allies Game. Another reason is no one ‘gets it’ right away from a strategy point of view (I’m rather shocked that so far in this thread there hasn’t been a “How do you win with the Allies” question.)

    I also point out that the system was not used in Guadalcanal. Since Guadalcanal we’ve gotten 7 versions of the game we’ve been playing since the eighties. And since there isn’t really a hint that we’ll be getting anything but ‘traditional A&A’ I’m inclined to think that the graphic design is pretty far down the list of ‘problems’ with the game.



  • @frimmel:

    @Make_It_Round:

    Sure, it’s a ‘winter’ game, but it has no winter rules to give it flavor, so they just represented that fact with the blah-boring background. I’m certain that with the right artistic direction, this game could have been waaay more popular than it was. The supply rules, casualty randomization, and retreat-push mechanics have significant replayability, nevertheless, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the basic engine of BotB pops its head up again in another land-based battle title in the future, e.g. Stalingrad or El Alamein. Here’s hoping that something along those lines ends up getting produced…

    While I really like the “basic engine” of BOTB and hope to see it again, I disagree that the game would have been more popular with better graphic design of the set. While I agree that the set is pretty bland one reason it is unpopular is the basic engine. It is too different than the global Axis and Allies Game. Another reason is no one ‘gets it’ right away from a strategy point of view (I’m rather shocked that so far in this thread there hasn’t been a “How do you win with the Allies” question.)

    I also point out that the system was not used in Guadalcanal. Since Guadalcanal we’ve gotten 7 versions of the game we’ve been playing since the eighties. And since there isn’t really a hint that we’ll be getting anything but ‘traditional A&A’ I’m inclined to think that the graphic design is pretty far down the list of ‘problems’ with the game.

    Hi Frimmel,

    I’m fully aware that the Guadalcanal system was different (and in many, many ways better) than the BotB system. The GC mechanism for determining random casualties, for example, was much more elegant and intuitive than BotB’s. GC’s division of unit combat values for land/sea/air units, near-simultaneous player turns, and the reduction of combat to one round of rolls (allowing shared occupation of territories and sea zones with enemies) were all revolutionary features for the series, and opened up interesting design space. That’s why I’d rather see GC revisited than BotB.

    Given that slightly different versions of the AA50 map have been rehashed for the subsequent 7 A&A games, I agree that design has taken a back seat to consistency. But BotB’s graphics were bad by any measure; its novelty didn’t save it from being both unclear and visually unappealing. I can’t help but think that a better, clearer map design could have really made this game more memorable and well-loved. That’s my main point.

    Best,

    MIR



  • so essentially the only good thing in the game is the trucks ? the rest of the game can go trash itself?  I have been unable to play the game myself since no one to play which is why it will be one of the games I sell, but so far it sounds like it wasn’t a good system.


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