The US tries to rule the world… but chaos seems to follow

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    By the time the Atom bombs were dropped we were in affect out of allied status and into Neutral(russia and US)… the atom bombs gave Russia the scare to start create them (atom bombs)


  • thats not forcing them into it. and to my knowledge, the crises derived from the nuclear weapons were the fault of Russia, not the US


  • The Soviets weren’t in on the Bomb project, but they knew something was up. Soviet intelligence penetrated the Manhattan project as early as 1943. (rememberr Julius and Ethel Rosenberg? They were executed for passing atomic secrets to the Soviets). The Cambridge spies- MaClean, Burgess, and Philby all highly placed in British diplomatic and intelligence circles passed on atomic secrets to the Soviets as well.

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    @Janus1:

    thats not forcing them into it. and to my knowledge, the crises derived from the nuclear weapons were the fault of Russia, not the US

    who showed that they had them first…


  • So what? I created the world’s first Tank. Does this mean I’m directly responsible for the arms race that follows it?


  • No, but it could mean you’re responsible for breaking the stalemate in the trenches and ending World War I… :lol:

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    I sayed SHOWED


  • i never do this….but…

    I sayed

    You sayed?

    I cant resist……

    “Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning?”

    :D

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    LOL


  • the US is the most generous nation on the earth.

    Hanso didn’t mention the Marshall plan which was millions spent to help rebuild Europe after WW2. We even gave Marshall plan $$ to the Germans and the Japanese. (The Soviets opted not to participate).

    Afghanistan- do you really think it is better to leave the Taliban in charge?

    Vietnam- do you really think Norht Viet nam was a democratic nation?

    Hanso forgets all the time the US has intervened to help Muslim people in the last 10 years. Ethiopia, Somalia, Kuwait, Serbia, Iraq…

    Dude, get it right!


  • “…and now you know the rest of the story.”

    (I love that guy on the radio :D)

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    who are you talking about?


  • thank you sherman, for having the courage to praise the US. and truly, think about it. If an earthquake happens anywhere in the world, the US will be leading the pack to send aid to the nation, whereas if one happens in the US, noone gives a shit. the US does go in and bomb the hell out of every1, but then it rebuilds them, and they become better than they were (Germany, Japan). the generosity of the US is also its stupidity though, as it contributes to the National Debt, and the US government would never think to ask for repayment.


  • That was very kind of you to say so. It is absolutely the truth that the world looks to the United States whenever there is something wrong.
    Why can’t we be PROUD of it? I can think of so many examples:
    here’s one our friends on the left hate - when that centerpeice of Soviet Nuclear technology the Chernobyl Plant melted down we offered to
    send in a team of our Nuclear scientists to help, a team of EPA people to help advise on the clean up immediately offered medical help not to mention the hundreds of private US citizens who took up collections to help. What did the Soviets do? Denied, covered up, insisted that the UNITED NATIONS send inspectors (with out a US person on the inspection team.) once they finally admitted weeks after the fact that something had happened…

    We need to talk about this because Hanso’s version of history is what is being written down, not the truth!

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    Iraq didn’t look to us… and does the world need to look to us giving aid every where… that does sound harsh but let them copy us not depend on us…


  • no one said they should depend on us, but they do. i disagree with the us giving so much foreign aid, but it does.


  • @sherman28:

    the US is the most generous nation on the earth.

    i’d lke to see the numbers on that in a per capita basis. Don’t forget to include credits/debts to the U.N. relative to other countries.

    Hanso didn’t mention the Marshall plan which was millions spent to help rebuild Europe after WW2. We even gave Marshall plan $$ to the Germans and the Japanese. (The Soviets opted not to participate).

    This is one of the shining spots of the war.

    Afghanistan- do you really think it is better to leave the Taliban in charge?

    This was a case in America’s best interests. The Taliban was America’s monster - much as was Frankenstein’s. This is one of the MANY instances of American interference to ward off socialism/communism gone wrong. So eventually the whole thing blows up in their face, 9/11 happens, and America does the only thing it can do - deal with it. This hasn’t been done very effectively yet, and i suspect there was more security (with more freedoms) under the Taliban (which i would suggest was pretty evil).

    Vietnam- do you really think Norht Viet nam was a democratic nation?

    oh, you SO don’t want to go there. America the wise - saving the world from communism. Failing to solve the real problem.
    Question - why was communism such a threat? If it were truth - then why should it not be perpetuated at the will of people. If a lie, then do they think that it would not fizzle on its own as people came to realize its problems?
    And they really did not do anything of any substance in Vietnam - other than snuff out many lives.

    Hanso forgets all the time the US has intervened to help Muslim people in the last 10 years. Ethiopia, Somalia, Kuwait, Serbia, Iraq…

    Dude, get it right!

    These were, with the exception of Iraq (who i’m still not sure that America helped that much) international “group efforts” with many nations pitching in.
    Yes, America appears to have done some good, however much of this is:

    1. a direct result of the need to repair the evil that was done because of previous intervention,
    2. a purely selfish act with superfluously handy side-effects
    3. a good act with severe consequences by nature - a sword of 2 edges, so to speak.

  • oh, you SO don’t want to go there. America the wise - saving the world from communism. Failing to solve the real problem.
    Question - why was communism such a threat? If it were truth - then why should it not be perpetuated at the will of people. If a lie, then do they think that it would not fizzle on its own as people came to realize its problems?
    And they really did not do anything of any substance in Vietnam - other than snuff out many lives.

    neither do you CC, you dont want to get into an ideology debate where you are in any way praising communism. Mike will cut off your head with his katana, and I would too (if i had one :cry: )


  • “… that guy…” is Paul Harvey, the living dude with longest running news commentary in broadcast syndication history(30 years plus.) NOTE: He was doing the comment/pause long before Glenn Beck. Everyone who knows PH knows his style and overlooks the PAUSE, but GB gets grief for it because he takes a coulpa secs longa. Peopleinnewyorkandlawhotalkfastdon’tlikeitbecauseitgivesthemtimetothink!

    As for who started it(approximately in chronological order)…
    The guy who picked up the first rock started it…
    or was it the guy who picked up the first stick and clubbed his opponent…
    or was it the guy who chipped the first knife out of flint…
    who swung the first axe…
    who threw the first spear…
    who slungshot the first rock…
    who shot the first arrow…
    who threw the first bolo…
    who rode the first horse…
    who decided to attack in season…
    who drew the first sword…
    who sailed the first warship…
    who used the first gunpowder…
    who used the first catapult…
    Who carried the first pike
    who carried the first lance…
    who shot the first cannon…
    who shot the first blunderbust…
    who shot the first pistol…
    who sailed the first ironclad
    who used the first mustard gas…
    who drove the first tank…
    who developed the first rocket…
    who developed the first A-bomb…
    who developed the first biological agent…

    Some have been left out, but the point is…
    well, nobody started itand
    they didn’t have to respond
    the way they chose to respond.

    @Guerrilla:

    Iraq didn’t look to us… and does the world need to look to us giving aid every where… that does sound harsh but let them copy us not depend on us…

    Oh, but the people did back in 1991/1992 and GHW Bush went along with the UN and IT GOT THE PEOPLE KILLED!
    and NO they don’t need to look to us giving aid everywhere.

    What I REALLY enjoy is the “we give more” argument. The US gives more $wise, but the detractors say"X gives a bigger percentage."


  • good list, the not really in chronological order

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