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    @Janus1:

    the axis knew how to win a war too. there were many problems plaguing the axis that prevented them from victory. not least of which, the size of the area they were fighting in (Europe, into Africa and Asia, on two fronts. ) when you have essentially two countries fighting in an area that big against enemies of that size and power (US, UK, Russia), the odds are not in your favor. combined with many other factors, thats what screwed hitler and decided WWII.

    the general idea… but then who had overpowering odds… the gemans could have produced masses of weapons but they liked too much tech’s…


  • Give me evidence…

    Only other than the fact that that was the main German initative in Russia. :-? “5 tanks right now is much better than 10 tanks in an hour” Straight from a German General’s mouth


  • Falk, you cannot predict how the world would be different if even the smallest thing were changed. had Einstein not left Germany, and Fermi not left Italy, there would not necessarily have been a nuclear weapon produced there as a result.

    Surely these points would not have had any impact at all.

    Sarcasm noted, and appreciated. nonetheless, as ive said before, and will say again, no one or two points decided the war. It was a combination of everything that took place. change any one thing, and the future would have been changed, but the outcome of the war would not necessarily have been different (i.e. germany losing, though the specifics may have been different)

    Oh, btw: Janus, please do not answer this. It would be a waste of space.

    Let me respond to this in the following, pre-censored for Yanny’s sake.
    Falk is the greatest guy in the world. He truly is such a great guy. Im so happy that I know such a great guy.


  • But you did notice that this “one thing” would have changed “many” things?

    Second: As you correctly noticed, all we can do here is predict. No matter how many things we change as our assumptions, all that follows is prediction. Thus, you saying you know you are right is pretty “weak”. One changed thing could have decided the course of the war, no need to, sure, but how can you rule it out definitely???
    I don’t mind if people are sure that they are right. I mind if they stop listening and explaining. And i am not the firstone to notice that your style of “discussing” does not belong to the most productive ones. “Productive” here does not mean “necessarily reaching a consensus” but “sharing thoughts, opinions, facts etc.”.

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    @TG:

    Give me evidence…

    Only other than the fact that that was the main German initative in Russia. :-? “5 tanks right now is much better than 10 tanks in an hour” Straight from a German General’s mouth

    That is not logistics :-?


  • How is it not?

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    @TG:

    How is it not?

    Logistics is supply of bullets and beans… I’ll write later to expound on it gtg…


  • No, logistics also deals with materiel and personnel.

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    @TG:

    No, logistics also deals with materiel and personnel.

    True… I’m not saying it isn’t it just doesn’t prove the german doctrine was logistical… the Russians had both the 5 on the battlefield and ten in a hour… which one had logistics :wink: ??


  • Actually, I was wrong gasp yes, you heard right.
    It was a single thing which decided WWII, in fact, it was a single man.
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    ……Hitler.
    Think about it. If it werent for Hitler, Germany never would have had the antisemitism Falk is hooked on, there wouldnt have been an Operation Barbarossa. His arrogance couldnt have doomed the Germans on DDay.
    The list is endless. If it werent for Hitler, Germany wouldnt have lost WWII (they wouldnt have gotten into WWII either, but thats beside the point).

    :roll:

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    @TG:

    Yeah, fighting across a 3,000 mile front generally isn’t a good thing

    yeah, but even if they only fought on a 50 mile front the Russian guerrilla’s would have destroyed there logistics anyway and it is much easier to hit a 50 mile wide logistics line then 3,000… with 3,000 there harder to hit…


  • They also have a helluva harder time with their supply lines on a 3000 mile front. True, the larger the area the attacker has, the better for him, but when fighting a two front war, with powerful enemies on both sides, the size of each front for two countries to be fighting on takes a serious toll. The Germans may have actually fared better with a 50 mile front on the Russian side.

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    he shouldn’t have attacked Russia… just Poland


  • the Russians had both the 5 on the battlefield and ten in a hour… which one had logistics

    But that wasn’t the main Russian military philosophy. The Russian general probably would’ve chosen the latter, not the former as the German would have.

    yeah, but even if they only fought on a 50 mile front the Russian guerrilla’s would have destroyed there logistics anyway and it is much easier to hit a 50 mile wide logistics line then 3,000… with 3,000 there harder to hit…

    But the far of the matter was that the Germans were much wider split, thus making it harder to supply. Besides, consider the fact that one supply line would be much easier to defend.

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    @TG:

    But the far of the matter was that the Germans were much wider split, thus making it harder to supply. Besides, consider the fact that one supply line would be much easier to defend.

    cannot argue with that… as far as logistics who had more…

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    plus we are talking about the eastern front… that is were they lost the logistics…they should have taken into thought Soviet supply and lend lease compared to german supply… also they did not have an affective way to kill russian supply lines…the soviets did…


  • … also they did not have an affective way to kill russian supply lines…the soviets did…

    I’m not sure of the ground war (though the Germans were heavily outnumbered at the time and barely trying to hold their own), but the German U-Boat fleet really crippled Russia-British shipping for awhile in the Archangel area.

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