Can you retreat, from NOWHERE?

@Gargantua:

get the Japanese Navy to sink my American Transport (with Russian infantry on it)

And if the Soviet infantry goes down with the American transport that “attacked” the Japs, does that mean that Japan and russia are at war even if they weren’t before the incident?  Very Tonkin gulf.

The Soviets would need to declare war on Japan before boarding a US transport in the Pacific.

But they could have loaded a US transport on the Europe map (if the USSR is at war Germany and/or Italy).

But then I have to ask, can the US move a transport containing Soviet troops from the Europe map to the Pacific map if the Soviets aren’t at war with Japan?

Theatre specific neutrality is weird.

@Axisplaya:

@Rorschach:

Now you’re just looking for loopholes.

Well…Garg is good at that…

I remember once he found a reason to build a NAVAL BASE on the mailand (not adjacent to any seazone…)   :-o     :-D

1. Can I see that?
2. How. The. Fuck?

@techroll42:

@Axisplaya:

@Rorschach:

Now you’re just looking for loopholes.

Well…Garg is good at that…

I remember once he found a reason to build a NAVAL BASE on the mailand (not adjacent to any seazone…)�  � :-o�  �  � :-D

1. Can I see that?
2. How. The. f**k?

LOL … he found a “REASON” to, but, as per Kreig “No.  See page 24 of the Rulebook.”

OK so if japan attacks India by sea and there is a naval battle, and there just happens to be a British transport present with a Soviet mech onboard, would Japan and Russia be at war after that naval battle?

@Vance:

OK so if japan attacks India by sea and there is a naval battle, and there just happens to be a British transport present with a Soviet mech onboard, would Japan and Russia be at war after that naval battle?

In order for Russia to load onto an Allied transport in that seazone, they’re required to be at war with Japan before loading onto it (otherwise they cannot use Allied transports, be in Allied territories).

They’re already at war.

@Gargantua:

But what he’s saying, is if it loads on the European side of the map… and the transport moves, is THAT an act of war?

The UK itself cannot move the transport with a Russian unit on it onto the Pacific side of the board UNTIL Russia has declared war on Japan. The UK cannot declare war for Russia, and Russia CANNOT have their units on Allied transports on the Pac side unless they first declare war.

The transport is stopped at the seazone boarder to the Pac board and would not be able to move across until Russia declares war on Japan. Russia would need to declare war prior to the UK turn that the UK wanted to move the transport onto the Pac side.

Right so Germany attacks Russia G2 so USSR is at war on the Europe map.  Russia can then move a mech from Turkmenistan to UK controlled East Persia, then the following turn it loads onto a British transport which UK then NCMs to z39.  If Japan attacks India J4 and UK scrambles a fighter to cause a naval battle in which the transport is sunk, japan is then at war with Russia on the Pacific map?  And it was Japan that started the war, not the Russians.  Its not their fault the bloody British put their unit in harms way.

@Vance:

Right so Germany attacks Russia G2 so USSR is at war on the Europe map.  Russia can then move a mech from Turkmenistan to UK controlled East Persia, then the following turn it loads onto a British transport which UK then NCMs to z39.  If Japan attacks India J4 and UK scrambles a fighter to cause a naval battle in which the transport is sunk, japan is then at war with Russia on the Pacific map?  And it was Japan that started the war, not the Russians.  Its not their fault the bloody British put their unit in harms way.

No.  Russia is not permitted to use an Allied Transport on the Pac side of the board unless at war with Japan.

In your example, the UK is BARRED from NCM to Z39 with that transport. It is an illegal move to cross into Z39. It is NOT permitted to cross into a seazone that is on the Pac side of the board unless Russia is at war on that side of the board. And again, the UK cannot declare war for Russia - only Russia can declare war, and ONLY on Russia’s turn.

It’s their bloody fault.

So the British captain and crew must do what their Soviet passengers demand of them.  This is MUTINY.  That’s OK the transport (HMS Potemkin) can always take the Russians to Italian Somaliland instead.

you can move out and then move in.

What about the anzac forces in Africa can they switch boards with a transport?

@Gargantua:

If you can’t hit the sub, you can’t attack the sub.

Actually, that’s a bunch of crap.

There have been some extreme examples, that I’ve seen, where this has occured.

Namely, a Russian decided he’d board himself onto an allied transport (American) in the pacific.  To spite the Russians the Americans then deliberately left their transport out as fodder for the Japanese air-force.

Then, to spite the Americans, the Japanese refused to sink the transport.

So the Americans sent it on a suicide no dice attack, which is technically legal, against a Japanese battleship and sub combo.

Ok i know this does not the topic but, thats really funny, to save a transport by loading a Russian onto a one, so japan wont sink cause they dont want to go to war! :lol:

@empireman:

@Gargantua:

If you can’t hit the sub, you can’t attack the sub.

Actually, that’s a bunch of crap.

There have been some extreme examples, that I’ve seen, where this has occured.

Namely, a Russian decided he’d board himself onto an allied transport (American) in the pacific.  To spite the Russians the Americans then deliberately left their transport out as fodder for the Japanese air-force.

Then, to spite the Americans, the Japanese refused to sink the transport.

So the Americans sent it on a suicide no dice attack, which is technically legal, against a Japanese battleship and sub combo.

Ok i know this does not the topic but, thats really funny, to save a transport by loading a Russian onto a one, so japan wont sink cause they dont want to go to war! :lol:

The problem with this entire line of argument is that there is no reason for Japan to not declare war on Russia.  There is no punishment for a state of war.  There is only a punishment for attacking territories adjacent to Mongolia, but you aren’t required to attack them when you declare war.  The only other reason that Japan wouldn’t want to declare war is to limit Allied units from moving into Russian territories or sharing transports, but if Russia wanted to do that, they’re free to declare war themselves.

Point is Russia can simply declare war themselves on R1 and open up their territories - again, there’s no punishment to a state of war, only if Russia attacks Manchuria, but they don’t have to do that when they declare war.

So, why would Russia ever not declare war on R1 if it means they are free to move through Pac boards and share space with Pac allies?  That’s right, there’s no reason (besides historic romanticism).  Russia screws over the allies more by not declaring war, as it changes absolutely nothing for the axis and only hinders Russia to be neutral on the Pac side of things.