• Ever since Axis and Allies Classic, my axis strategy has been ‘early and often.’ Maybe to a fault, however I really don’t see a problem with a G1 attack. Its like a boxer throwing some annoying jabs before they use the knockout punch. Anything after G1 just allows Russia to get organized.

    I’ve had great success against a capable opponent with the G1 Major IC in Romania and attacks on Bessarabia, Eastern Poland and Baltic States.


  • What exactly does a G1 declaration give you? The only thing I see is headaches when deciding what to do about UK fleet, and being stalled in russia right away.

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    @Young:

    Found this oldie but a goodie 13 pages back. Posted it over 6 months ago when I first started experimenting with a G1 attack on Russia (which went up against some stiff criticism back then). Not sure how many members here have even tried this strategy, but I think popular opinion on this should have leveled off by now…… right?

    good job digging this thread up again.

    i would have said terrible strategy back then. i have created a g1-j4 attack that takes moscow on g5 which is a pretty strong move. i am tinkering with g1-j1, not sure if this will allow usa to put pressure on g before they take moscow, but might open up a pacific victory.


  • What exacly are your buys to take Moscow T5? This just doesn’t seem possible to me.


  • I have calculated out 53 ground units that can get to moscow by T5 (this is if not a single unit was lost along the way) plus I’d guestimate around 20 planes. Russia at the literal worst would have 77 total units in moscow. This is if you killed East poland, Baltic, and besarabia, and he decided to not counter you anywhere. I think I’d take your 73 units vs my 77 all day long since even if you did take Moscow it would literally cost you every single plane.

  • '17 '16 '13 '12

    @theROCmonster:

    I have calculated out 53 ground units that can get to moscow by T5 (this is if not a single unit was lost along the way) plus I’d guestimate around 20 planes. Russia at the literal worst would have 77 total units in moscow. This is if you killed East poland, Baltic, and besarabia, and he decided to not counter you anywhere. I think I’d take your 73 units vs my 77 all day long since even if you did take Moscow it would literally cost you every single plane.

    Yes, pending the Russians getting out of position, Moscow is not under threat earlier with a G1 vs a G2.

  • '12

    @theROCmonster:

    I have calculated out 53 ground units that can get to Moscow by T5 (this is if not a single unit was lost along the way) plus I’d guestimate around 20 planes. Russia at the literal worst would have 77 total units in Moscow. This is if you killed East Poland, Baltic, and Besarabia, and he decided to not counter you anywhere. I think I’d take your 73 units vs my 77 all day long since even if you did take Moscow it would literally cost you every single plane.

    Don’t forget the consequences of SBR on the Russian factory output.

  • '17 '16 '15 '14 '12

    UK fighters intercept SBR

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    @theROCmonster:

    I have calculated out 53 ground units that can get to moscow by T5 (this is if not a single unit was lost along the way) plus I’d guestimate around 20 planes. Russia at the literal worst would have 77 total units in moscow. This is if you killed East poland, Baltic, and besarabia, and he decided to not counter you anywhere. I think I’d take your 73 units vs my 77 all day long since even if you did take Moscow it would literally cost you every single plane.

    Wow!, You just calculated all the ups and downs that can happen during a whole game in one small paragraph. This strategy must be called “the anatomy of a Russian turtle”, and I don’t think anything in this paragraph is a fair argument for why not to attack Russia G1.

    Here is my revised attack that does not include a SBR on Russia or UK turn 1. It also includes a significat effort to actually argue the merit of a G1 attack on Russia.

    GERMANY

    Purchase New Units
    1 Strategic Bomber
    1 Fighter
    1 Destroyer

    Combat Movement

    SZ#106 - 1 Submarine
    SZ#110 - 2 Submarines, 1 Battleship, 2 Fighters, 2 T.Bombers, 1 S.Bomber
    SZ#111 - 2 Submarines, 2 Fighters, 1 T.Bomber, 1 S.Bomber
    France - 7 Infantry, 4 M.Infantry, 3 Artillery, 3 Tanks
    Baltic States - 3 Infantry, 2 Tanks, 1 T.Bomber
    Eastern Poland - 2 Infantry. 3 Tanks
    Bessarabia - 2 Infantry, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter, 1 T.Bomber

    Non-Combat Movement

    1 Cruiser, 1 Transport into SZ#113 / 2 Infantry from Germany into Norway
    3 Infantry from Norway into Finland
    3 Infantry from Germany into W.Germany
    6 Infantry, 3 Artillery, 1 AA Gun from Germany into Poland
    6 Infantry, 2 Artillery, from S.Germany into Slovakia
    1 AA Gun from Germany into Slovakia
    1 AA Gun from Germany into W.Germany
    3 AA Guns from W.Germany into N.Italy
    1 T.Bomber from Poland into Poland
    1 T.Bomber from Germany into Poland
    1 Fighter from Slovakia into Slovakia
    All surviving air units from the Atlantic into W.Germany

    Place new units
    1 Strategic Bomber into W.Germany
    1 Fighter into W. Germany
    1 Destroyer into SZ#113

    Collect income
    $38 income
    $5 National objective
    $19 Capital gain
    = $62

    FAQ: G1 attack on Russia

    Q: Why didn’t you buy an Aircraft Carrier round one?
    A: I don’t need one because my T. Bomber from Germany is attacking in the Eastern front. However, I will be placing 1 Aircraft Carrier and 2 other sea units in the Med on turn three. This is where I prefer to build my navy, because I’m a big believer in supporting Italy.

    Q: If you support Italy, why didn’t you place a fighter in S.Italy for maximum scramble?
    A: I don’t scramble during Toranto, as Italy I’m losing almost half my navy, I don’t want to lose my air force as well. I use all my German air units in W. Germany to wipe out the british fleet left in SZ#97 in round #2.

    Q: You didn’t attack Yugoslavia or walk on Bulgaria, did you leave to much money behind?
    A: I have made 3 logistical attacks on Russia killing 7 Infantry, taking 3 territories, and $2, rather than an overkill attack for a total of $3, and 5 neutrals. I choose to leave Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, and Greece for Italy, to ensure their financial stability in future rounds.

    Q: You gave your $5 NO to Russia, are you ok with them in Iraq for another $7 early?
    A: My goal is to get Lenningrad as soon as possible, but getting SZ#125 is also a viable option in regards to taking away the Russian NO. I believe that this strategy paired with Cow’s J1 attack on the Pacific Allies, will prevent Russia from helping against Japan. If Russia wants to divert forces away from the front that was just attacked…. I’m OK with that.

    Q: Russia will just counter and take all their territories back while wiping out Germany’s tanks… do you really want that?
    A: I have tried this strategy 5 times now (record is 3-1-1), and I can honestly say that I was very comfortable with Germany’s position throughout each game (the loss was not Germany’s fault). Even in the games when Germany didn’t get fair dice rolls in round one, their recovery position was still sound. My rational for doing this is… I take away 7 infantry from Russia that are crucial to them, and I force more Russian Infantry to move into range of my next attack. Actually, playing Germany becomes more fun when you see all the battles of attrition between Russia, and Germany instead of a game of turtling.

    PS: If you are attempting a J1 attack on the Pacific Allies, a G1 attack on Russia demands attention from the U.S, and prevents Russia from supporting China.

  • '12

    @variance:

    UK fighters intercept SBR

    That assumes the UK doesn’t badly need them for other schemes, and if they are present and intercept, who is to say that Germany won’t provide escorts?  It’s a good way to potentially whittle away the Fighter defense of Moscow before the last battle.  I also don’t know if the 70+ units for Russia is accounting for the output of every single Russian factory, if it is, then the UK can’t possibly guard all of these places.

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