G1 Attack on Russia?

Two questions:

1. What do you do if the USSR moves it’s northern forces toward Finland and Norway?

2. Do you let the USSR collect it’s SZ125/Archangel NO every turn?

What UK NO?

And remind me was this Alpha 3.9?

But you have sort of kinda convinced me. I will TRY this…

@Young:

Not sure, but it wouldn’t scare me to much because I have 7+2 infantry up there, and the Baltic states would get Leningrad with ease.

Er…well if the force Russia advances to Scandanavia is able to destroy 7+2 infantry, you should probably be scared.
We’ve already established that you’re getting Leningrad pretty soon no matter what.  As Russia, the choice to defend Leningrad from two directions versus lose Leningrad and take Scandanavia is an easy one.

Hmmm so how about if you were to build an airbase in Norway and land 3 fighters G1.  You could provide scramble cover to your sub in z125, and double scramble (3 tac in W Ger) for your transport, destroyer and cruiser in z112.  Then keep shuttling infantry from West Germany with your transport.  Notice planes from Norway can also hit Novgorod or Belarus and land in East Poland if Norway has an airbase. :-)

PLUS if UK feels too safe round 1 (ie sails the fleet away to the med, builds an IC in egypt, no infantry in London etc) and Russia pulls back to Archangel you COULD still build a wack of transports and go for England.  Nothing says “no sea lion” like G1 Barbarossa LOL.

z125 also baits the British fleet.  No scramble if they bring planes but you get the ships next turn.

AB in Norway instead of a CV on G1?

Still leaves 15 IPC to work with which can equate to replacing an aircraft lost on the G1 attack in SZ’s 110/111 and even a gasp tech roll if you are feeling lucky (Although a Tac and Art may be a better choice).

Interesting concept if you keep your BB and CR in SZ112 and don’t use the BB in attacking SZ110/SZ111.

If you build the airbase and a destroyer and save $7 you will have an even $70 in hand.  It would be interesting to see a game where UK doesn’t see the threat and leaves London naked so you go ahead and pull off a sea lion after your g1 barbarossa LOL.  If that is at least POSSIBLE, then UK has to build infantry round 1, and if you were to sink z110 instead of z111 nothing goes to the med so Italy would be in decent shape too.  I know it sounds crazy but it might be possible to have your cake and eat it too.

That’s true, although you could move the AA guns from Germany and the infantry from Denmark to West Germany temporarily, and the scramble from Norway would stop the shore bombardment.  But yeah maybe instead of saving the $7 it would be wise to build an infantry and artillery in West Germany.  You could still throw up 9 transports in z113 next turn (10 total) and bring units back from the Eastern front to Germany if the opportunity for a sea lion arises.  With 6 planes to scramble and the destroyer and cruiser in z112 they would be hard pressed to get a blocker in z112 that Italy couldn’t clear by air.  Also, Germany having $63 in hand is not the same thing as having $70 in hand, so maybe UK doesn’t see the possibility and they maybe leave it open?

An attack on Russia at the start is simply creating a two sided war at the beginning and normally ends up with germany having to have Italy come help them instead of gaining icp in africa. Germany should go all out for Uk on the first turn. You actually have a decent chance of taking london. Once thats done the game is almost over for the allies

about the norway AB…

slapping an AB there only helps the allies.  when america shows up and takes it from you, the UK flies over scramble cover for the fleet and you just lost all chance of disrupting a europe shuck (and a particularly nasty one at that IMO)

i think norway is too hard to defend long term to be the answer to an immediate issue (russian incursion in scandinavia)

Maybe, although the earliest America can show up in Norway is turn 6 without an axis DOW.  By then the Soviet Union will have been exterminated and Norway shold have been reinforced with 2 AAs or infantry each turn plus the 3 fighters.

If you hit Russia on one look at how weak they are, they have very little to counter with, why give them 3 or 4 rounds to build.
Then again I supported Young Grasshopper’s Idea.
Dont knock it untill you"ve tried it  (not true of all things)

YG and Vance,

I’d be more than happy to try this online with either one of you or both.  PM if you want to start.  At this point I am undecided as there is a lot to consider as far as Allied counters.  I don’t think G1 Barby is fool proof just yet.  I’m suspicious of holes in it, but I really gotta see it on the board first.

I’m curious if this is a “one and done” strategy.  In other words, it works as a first time sucker punch and then once you’ve seen it, you have a solid counter for it.

Interesting idea though.  I’m also in the middle of a game where someone is pulling a G2 attack on Russia- haven’t seen that yet either- vexing to say the least.

If the main objective of a G1 Barbarossa is to destroy russian infantry, then instead of doing SBR in Leningrad, take 1 inf, 1 art from Germany and hit Vyborg along with the 2 bombers from Germany.  Attack russian fleet with BB, CR and fighter from Norway (incase Russia scrambles fighter).  This way Russia would lose 3 more inf bringing the total to 10.  9 IPC from the three inf is more than the 6 IPC max with SBR.