Is there too much contempt for the French from A&A players?


  • Then since you didn’t make any points in that last post, i guess you finally agree with me.

    In fact, most of French are not proud of what happens between 1939 and 1943.

    First time you made such a point.

    I’ve you make laugh….sorry but you’re pathetic…

    Or written sideways: Make laugh you I’ve…but sorry pathetic you’re?

    Excellent point!


  • @Imperious:

    Then since you didn’t make any points in that last post, i guess you finally agree with me.

    A conclusion drawn by using the infuriating logic of a toss pot!

    These threads can be alot of fun espically hotly contested ones. The amout of intellectual stimulation you can get from having to look up infromation to back up your position or to counter someone elses is done with the same amout of fun and enlivened jolyity one would get from wrestling an excitable dog in a kiddie pool full of disembodied brests (dont think to much on that simile, I certianly didnt). But when people start to “dig in” and bang on about the same points, dissecting opponents posts with the fine toothed comb of elemental pettiness, and obstruct those who are trying to move the conversation past whatever their point was, then the enjoyment level drops down to somewhere between fuzzy felt Colourforms and banging two bricks together. Seriously, by the time the real flame war kicks up, sifting through all the back and forth post dissecting name calling is like that special kind of tedium that feels like giant mosquitos are pumping cement into your brain but you cant be bothered to stop them. There really is soo much more to disucss here and I feel like we’ve triped right out of the gate and knocked out a tooth by landing on a hardened cow patty.

    We get it IL, you really dont like the French for what they did in a conflict 75 years ago, can we move on now? please?


  • We get it IL, you really dont like the French for what they did in a conflict 75 years ago,

    You missed my point again…

    The French are the most brave and vital soldiers who ever lived and always fight to the bitter end, never surrender, never allow national complacency and mediocrity to prevail in preparation of outstanding offensive minded military plans in the event of war. France never once stood up for any motivation that was in her interests alone ( like in WW1), preferring to stand for good and freedom and the protection of all nations. During WW2 they exemplified nothing but the best of intentions and steered the Allies to final victory.  They also are the most fair people to deal with after the war, preferring to support the former enemies with aid packages and economic support and never once label an enemy for blame for causing the war.

    All that and they make the most swell bread and coffee in the summer…

    I am booking my flight the Paris right now. I will see the Parasites via a guided tour.

    Viva La France!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePzwg0LyYL0


  • Or written sideways: Make laugh you I’ve…but sorry pathetic you’re?
    :-D….my pleasure

    I am booking my flight the Paris right now. I will see the Parasites via a guided tour.
    Paris…ites you probably mean… :evil:

    Then since you didn’t make any points in that last post, i guess you finally agree with me.
    Of course…


  • Ok, so you hate the French for everything she has ever done in her history, fine, good, glad you got that out, can we please move on to something actually intresting now? Or do you feel the need to write another post showing how clever you are and what jerks the rest of us are for not wanting to bang on about the horrible things France has done?

    I for one would like someone to answer, or atleast tell me what they think, about my statment that the Soviet Union is a country that is treated with too much contempt by A&A players, which from a game stand point makes no sense to me


  • And I just wanted to add this, as it been kind f a running joke around the apartment, When someone uses the term “Francophile” it conjures up ideas in my head of meaning someone with a bizzare sexual fetish wherein one of the partners has to be dressed up like Francisco Franco and ocassionally stop mid act and shout at the other person in Spanish. Now my roommate added to this that it made him think of someone who had to be dressed up like a giant hot dog during sex, which ofcourse caused great bouts of laughter around the house  :-D :lol: :lol:

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    it made him think of someone who had to be dressed up like a giant hot dog during sex

    I really didn’t want to know that…


  • OK Clyde. Just start a new topic and I’m going to answer.


  • Ok, so you hate the French for everything she has ever done in her history,

    No you are not reading it right. 1870-1945…

    And probably how they showed their hand in Algeria.

    and probably also that effort in Vietnam.

    After that they fought brilliantly, except their are no examples of this.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    In Afghanistan the French didn’t even leave the wire.  They just sat in the base doing F-all.

    BTW, none of this is OFF TOPIC, because that’s what this thread is all about, why there is contempt for the french, and why it’s JUSTIFIED.


  • @Clyde85:

    I for one would like someone to answer, or atleast tell me what they think, about my statment that the Soviet Union is a country that is treated with too much contempt by A&A players, which from a game stand point makes no sense to me

    I have encountered little contempt for the Soviet Union from A&A players. Even though they are often squashed like a bug between Germany and Japan (which is not realistic at all), I have encountered very little negative talk or jokes about the Soviet Union on-line or face to face. Although I can envision this among A&A circles of players, because the Soviet Union is often just squashed between Germany and Japan, and in some iterations of the game, whether the Allies can win is largely a function of how long the SU survives.


  • Right the Soviets fought more bravely than any other allied nation, and was engaged with something like 80% of the total military machine of Germany.

    No contempt for them whatsoever. The initial loses are based on a false strategy where Stalin was controlling the border deployments and ordering them to stand and defend the larger cities. Once he let his own generals take over they did fine.

    The Soviets would not surrender unless most of their productive capabilities were destroyed. Losing Moscow would be bad, but not lead to surrender.

    That is not the case with France however.


  • Stalin was the primary problem for the Soviets early in the war.  His purges of officers as well as armament designers, and the completely centralized command were a disaster.  The forward deployments were idiotic considering the slow communication and authoritarian control.

    The Soviets lacked strategic components of any consequence (strategic bombers, long range fighters, navy, etc), but they did have some very modern tactical equipment, perhaps the best in several areas.

    There was one thing that Stalin brought to the table that made the Soviets extremely formidable:  there was no way he was going to surrender or allow any subordinates to consider it.  Every man, woman,  & child in the country, and all of his relatives could die before that man would yield.  The lives of his citizens and soldiers meant nothing to him.


  • I haven’t had the pleasure of playing Europe 1940 yet, but I have no contempt for the French during the conflict. I would say there were significant reasons to the Third Republic’s ultimate downfall, one of the which was overall poor Allied strategy, which including the misusing of tank divisions and worst of all, not mounting a meaningful offensive into Germany in the opening days of the war.

    As for the Soviet Union, which like the French, I have no contempt for, there were many reasons for its initial failure, the purges are one, whilst devastating they alone were not the cause of Soviet ineffectiveness. The main cause was Stalin himself, who was planning an offensive war sometime in 1942, after he thought Hitler would crush England. He made no preparations for defense, thinking that the Germans would never again fight on two fronts as they did over twenty years ago. Obviously, he was wrong. The man went as far to dismiss intelligence reports, which while varied in dates of attacks, came in like a torrent, from multiple sources.

    The second was the nature of Red Army’s training and discipline coupled with the strategical and logistical support were in shambles during the first opening weeks on the Eastern Front.

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