Why defend Italy when you can defend South france?



  • So as is the turn order for the latest Alpha 3 versioin…
    Turn Order:
    1st. Germany
    2nd. Soviet Union
    3rd. Japan
    4th. United States
    5th. China
    6th. UK
    7th. Italy
    8th. ANZAC
    9th. France

    Everyone would agree the U.S fleet off Gibraltar is the place to be when your the Americans helping your European Allies.
    I mean look at it the US can reach Norway, Italy(north and South), west Germany, pretty much all costal territories west of Berlin…

    as the axis, that SUCKS
    my solution is so simple its ridiculous, BOMB THE GIBRALTAR NAVAL BASE

    check it out turn order, U.S, UK…Italy bombs…Germany Bombs…U.S(u.s players says damn my navy can only go 2 spaces) U.K spend money…Italy Bombs…Germany Bombs…U.S(u.s players says damn my navy can only go 2) repeat sequence N amount of times

    Defend South France INSTEAD OF ITALY and u can bomb GIBRALTAR all day No air base required

    as Italy NEVER take Morrocco OR Algeria BECAUSE IT IS FRENCH, and when the U.S take the teritory back it becomes U.S and they will just Build a naval base in Morrocco of their own and laugh at ur bombing raids.

    so there it is, U.S is off your back, and the U.K economy is hurting just that much more…

    P.S i don’t read all of the threads but from what I have seen this hasn’t been pointed out yet

    Edit: If this move is coupled with a Sealion it stops the U.S from ever ever moving 3 and significanty cuts the allies in europe



  • If the Axis never takes control of the Gibralter, how do you keep the Allies from entering the Mediteranean? Instead of moving three spaces to land in Norway, Denmark, Western Germany or Rome, the USA will move two spaces to land in Southern France and break your SBR plan. Now the USA can threaten Paris, Northern Italy and Rome all at the same time.

    Do you really think Italy can get the start they need without taking Morocco and securing the north African NO?



  • welll….  except plenty of interceptors by the time USA is gonna want to use Gibraltar’s bases.

    Until then then the instant AA will have to do its best.



  • @MacNaughton they move in and the they can be repelled, by killing off there landing that will now be touching, North italy and pairs, and by moving into the Med the U.S cant be reaching the northren teritories…IF a sea lion is threatened then yes I think Italy can get by without North africa because if the UK doesnt take the Sealion Seriously(and build in africa/ send units to africa early on) they Lose there capital…

    @special Forces… Vailed point, the interceptors would almost definantly would be sent to counter this, so this will not be an end gib strat as intended but it could be used as a delay strat/misdirection reaon* there would need to be ground units(to defend against a itlian landing) and fighters there to intercept…and the sooner they load Gib with fighters the sooner u pull outta south france…if they pull thier interceptors out then the bombers return(most likely from sout italy), it would definantly lock down enemy planes to be permenatly stationed there…which leads me to wish i could change the title, to “slowing down the allies”



  • I’ve got a novel solution for you…

    G1: Take Paris with all reaching 2 move units, and leave the rest of France alone. Put some air down in SI to try and dissuade an allied attack on the Italian navy.

    On I1, take SF with as many units as possible. Try and save as many transports as you can (although this is largely out of your hands).

    G2: Use all of those mech units to crush Normandy. Build a few transports, so as to make it look like you have that all in Normandy to set up a Sealion.

    By now, hopefully, there is a fairly-sized stack of units in Gibraltar.

    I3: Attack Spain with your SF ground and whatever else is necessary (transports with sb, planes, etc.)

    G3: I’m sure you’ve guessed it by now… blitz through to Gibraltar.


    I have yet to try this in a game for only one reason: Turkey. Sweden going pro-allies is not much of a problem; if anything can reach it, Germany hasn’t done her job.

    But what can be done about Turkey? Russia would get 8 free troops, +2 IPCs, AND a bonus!



  • @Jercules:

    I’ve got a novel solution for you…

    G1: Take Paris with all reaching 2 move units, and leave the rest of France alone. Put some air down in SI to try and dissuade an allied attack on the Italian navy.

    On I1, take SF with as many units as possible. Try and save as many transports as you can (although this is largely out of your hands).

    G2: Use all of those mech units to crush Normandy. Build a few transports, so as to make it look like you have that all in Normandy to set up a Sealion.

    By now, hopefully, there is a fairly-sized stack of units in Gibraltar.

    I3: Attack Spain with your SF ground and whatever else is necessary (transports with sb, planes, etc.)

    G3: I’m sure you’ve guessed it by now… blitz through to Gibraltar.


    I have yet to try this in a game for only one reason: Turkey. Sweden going pro-allies is not much of a problem; if anything can reach it, Germany hasn’t done her job.

    But what can be done about Turkey? Russia would get 8 free troops, +2 IPCs, AND a bonus!

    I wouldn’t do this simply because it turns EVERY SINGLE netrual turns against you and allows the U.S to land full force and walk through spain… I edited the post slightly to suggest a Sealion.  a sealion with the bombing raids would forever stop the naval base and stop anyone from ever worrying about the invasion an invasion of south italy without seeing it coming when he moves into the med



  • @Violent.copper:

    @special Forces… Vailed point, the interceptors would almost definantly would be sent to counter this, so this will not be an end gib strat as intended but it could be used as a delay strat/misdirection reaon* there would need to be ground units(to defend against a itlian landing) and fighters there to intercept….and the sooner they load Gib with fighters the sooner u pull outta south france…if they pull thier interceptors out then the bombers return(most likely from sout italy), it would definantly lock down enemy planes to be permenatly stationed there…which leads me to wish i could change the title, to “slowing down the allies”

    It may indeed slow down the Allies. Another option is to wait with bombing Gibraltar (and risk your bombers) until USA is getting close, and then start bombing. Might avoid a lot of planes landing on Gibraltar, since you haven’t showed your cards yet.

    One more option (if Italy has transports left) is to actually take Gibraltar (take control over that NB and AB, and block the entrance to the Med). The turn USA takes it back (and they will) they can’t land planes on it. Meaning no interceptors that turn. Then again, UK can still land planes before Italy gets to bomb, so it’s never a sure thing.



  • @Jercules:

    I3: Attack Spain with your SF ground and whatever else is necessary (transports with sb, planes, etc.)

    Also known as the ‘Instant Axis Death Strat’ 😄



  • @special:

    @Violent.copper:

    @special Forces… Vailed point, the interceptors would almost definantly would be sent to counter this, so this will not be an end gib strat as intended but it could be used as a delay strat/misdirection reaon* there would need to be ground units(to defend against a itlian landing) and fighters there to intercept….and the sooner they load Gib with fighters the sooner u pull outta south france…if they pull thier interceptors out then the bombers return(most likely from sout italy), it would definantly lock down enemy planes to be permenatly stationed there…which leads me to wish i could change the title, to “slowing down the allies”

    It may indeed slow down the Allies. Another option is to wait with bombing Gibraltar (and risk your bombers) until USA is getting close, and then start bombing. Might avoid a lot of planes landing on Gibraltar, since you haven’t showed your cards yet.

    One more option (if Italy has transports left) is to actually take Gibraltar (take control over that NB and AB, and block the entrance to the Med). The turn USA takes it back (and they will) they can’t land planes on it. Meaning no interceptors that turn. Then again, UK can still land planes before Italy gets to bomb, so it’s never a sure thing.

    If Italy takes gibralter then the US can repair the NB which would go against what copper wants to do.



  • @fanofbond:

    @special:

    @Violent.copper:

    @special Forces… Vailed point, the interceptors would almost definantly would be sent to counter this, so this will not be an end gib strat as intended but it could be used as a delay strat/misdirection reaon* there would need to be ground units(to defend against a itlian landing) and fighters there to intercept….and the sooner they load Gib with fighters the sooner u pull outta south france…if they pull thier interceptors out then the bombers return(most likely from sout italy), it would definantly lock down enemy planes to be permenatly stationed there…which leads me to wish i could change the title, to “slowing down the allies”

    It may indeed slow down the Allies. Another option is to wait with bombing Gibraltar (and risk your bombers) until USA is getting close, and then start bombing. Might avoid a lot of planes landing on Gibraltar, since you haven’t showed your cards yet.

    One more option (if Italy has transports left) is to actually take Gibraltar (take control over that NB and AB, and block the entrance to the Med). The turn USA takes it back (and they will) they can’t land planes on it. Meaning no interceptors that turn. Then again, UK can still land planes before Italy gets to bomb, so it’s never a sure thing.

    If Italy takes gibralter then the US can repair the NB which would go against what copper wants to do.

    But US can’t repair anything unless London has fallen.



  • I like the bombing of the naval base in Gibraltor.  Makes sense to do it on turn 1 though.  Especially since Italy has the bomber with the new setup.

    If Italy bombs Gibraltor on Turn 1, the British have 2 choices.  Leave it bombed since USA isn’t in it yet and spend money elsewhere, or fix it right away and take money away from them.  Either way it’s a good strategy for the Axis.

    I will definitely make this part of my plan the next time I play (maybe tomorrow).

    Doc



  • @special:

    @fanofbond:

    @special:

    @Violent.copper:

    @special Forces… Vailed point, the interceptors would almost definantly would be sent to counter this, so this will not be an end gib strat as intended but it could be used as a delay strat/misdirection reaon* there would need to be ground units(to defend against a itlian landing) and fighters there to intercept….and the sooner they load Gib with fighters the sooner u pull outta south france…if they pull thier interceptors out then the bombers return(most likely from sout italy), it would definantly lock down enemy planes to be permenatly stationed there…which leads me to wish i could change the title, to “slowing down the allies”

    It may indeed slow down the Allies. Another option is to wait with bombing Gibraltar (and risk your bombers) until USA is getting close, and then start bombing. Might avoid a lot of planes landing on Gibraltar, since you haven’t showed your cards yet.

    One more option (if Italy has transports left) is to actually take Gibraltar (take control over that NB and AB, and block the entrance to the Med). The turn USA takes it back (and they will) they can’t land planes on it. Meaning no interceptors that turn. Then again, UK can still land planes before Italy gets to bomb, so it’s never a sure thing.

    If Italy takes gibralter then the US can repair the NB which would go against what copper wants to do.

    But US can’t repair anything unless London has fallen.

    How could the US repair the NB if it belongs to a capital-less UK?



  • The US would have to take over Gibraltor after the Axis have taken AND the UK doesn’t have a capital at the same time.  That would be the only way.



  • Well, i looked and i couldn’t find the falling of UK in the text. So i assumed it hadn’t



  • @fanofbond:

    @special:

    @fanofbond:

    @special:

    @Violent.copper:

    @special Forces… Vailed point, the interceptors would almost definantly would be sent to counter this, so this will not be an end gib strat as intended but it could be used as a delay strat/misdirection reaon* there would need to be ground units(to defend against a itlian landing) and fighters there to intercept….and the sooner they load Gib with fighters the sooner u pull outta south france…if they pull thier interceptors out then the bombers return(most likely from sout italy), it would definantly lock down enemy planes to be permenatly stationed there…which leads me to wish i could change the title, to “slowing down the allies”

    It may indeed slow down the Allies. Another option is to wait with bombing Gibraltar (and risk your bombers) until USA is getting close, and then start bombing. Might avoid a lot of planes landing on Gibraltar, since you haven’t showed your cards yet.

    One more option (if Italy has transports left) is to actually take Gibraltar (take control over that NB and AB, and block the entrance to the Med). The turn USA takes it back (and they will) they can’t land planes on it. Meaning no interceptors that turn. Then again, UK can still land planes before Italy gets to bomb, so it’s never a sure thing.

    If Italy takes gibralter then the US can repair the NB which would go against what copper wants to do.

    But US can’t repair anything unless London has fallen.

    How could the US repair the NB if it belongs to a capital-less UK?

    Not. That’s what i said.

    But if London has fallen (i didn’t find that fact in the text so i assumed it hadn’t), what the hell is USA doing in Gibraltar instead of helping out UK??



  • Gibraltor is the best landing spot when then can enter the war.  From this spot, they can land just about anywhere they want.

    UK
    Normandy
    Southern France
    Northern Italy
    Southern Italy
    Denmark
    Western Germany (If UK can take Denmark ahead of them and hold it)
    Norway

    With the Naval Base damaged, they can only reach Normandy or Southern France.

    Remember, “If you defend everywhere, you defend no where.”

    Bombing the Naval Base takes pressure off of the Axis.  Germany will gain another turn not worrying if the US is going to attack Italy or land in UK or Norway or where ever.  They can concentrate on Normandy and Southern France.  Or let Italy defend Southern France and Germany Normandy.

    I find it very interesting and will make plans to use this.

    Doc


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