UK Gov't in exile Discussion - Delta 1



  • Gov’t in exile has been voted in and I would like to post a new poll with the 4 options at the beginning of this thread, plus any other versions you would like added.  I would like to have that poll up by Monday.

    So setting aside the possible setup changes, does anyone have anything they would like added or removed from the Gov’t in Exile rules?



  • i think we should add the canadian infantryman unit to canada XD !



  • @Vance:

    Gov’t in exile has been voted in and I would like to post a new poll with the 4 options at the beginning of this thread, plus any other versions you would like added.  I would like to have that poll up by Monday.

    So setting aside the possible setup changes, does anyone have anything they would like added or removed from the Gov’t in Exile rules?

    Good plan, and that gives the weekend for those who frequent the site time to chime in.

    Personally right now I vote for Option 1.

    Also I am still muddled on conquest and such.  Canada is still technically an ally, and so therefore would be able to ‘capture’ any pro-allies neutrals anyhow.  The real question rather is can canada collect ipcs for these territories.  I could see admittance of American territories as going to Canada but on the other hand I feel that this is a ‘technicality’ rule and not really what we are looking for.  Perhaps having ‘Canada’ fight on after the fall of London as is might be the best option.  No special rules other than the ‘exile gov’ rule.  So I am voting that Canada cannot collect additional ipcs outside of Canada until London is liberated.

    Basically we are giving the UK player something to do while waiting for his capital to be liberated by his big brother USA.  At least now they can purchase a few units or save money for a trn or 2.



  • Yes I can see your point Jimmyhat.  Depending on waht happens with the Neutral Blocks rule, Canada could potentially mop up the South American Neutral Block.  I am going to post 4 new versions that are just like the first 4 that I posted earlier, but in these versions the government in exile can only collect income for Canadian territories.  They could take Brazil to get the infantry (or any other territory for that matter), but UK Europe would not get the income for Brazil etc until London is liberated.



  • UK Europe government in exile - Version 5 (original, Canada only)

    If London is captured by an axis power, the capitol of UK Europe moves to Ottawa, Canada.  When an axis power captures London it collects the UK Europe IPCs minus the sum of the value of all Canadian territories.  The remaining IPCs continue to be held by UK Europe and may be used on the next turn as usual.  As long as London is occupied, the UK government in exile will collect income for Canadian territories.  The government in exile will mobilize units only in Canadian industrial complexes.  Because trade with Great Britain ceases while London is occupied by the axis, sea zone 106 ceases to be a convoy raid zone until London is liberated.  At the Collect Income phase of the UK Europe turn following the liberation of London, the government of UK Europe returns to London and income is collected for all UK controlled territories on the Europe map.



  • UK Europe government in exile - version 6 (Germany takes all IPCs, Canada only).

    If London is captured by an axis power, the capitol of UK Europe moves to Ottawa, Canada.  When an axis power captures London it collects all of the UK Europe IPCs.  On its next turn, and as long as London is occupied, the UK government in exile will collect income for Canadian territories.  The government in exile will mobilize units only in Canadian industrial complexes.  Because trade with Great Britain ceases while London is occupied by the axis, sea zone 106 ceases to be a convoy raid zone until London is liberated.  At the Collect Income phase of the UK Europe turn following the liberation of London, the government of UK Europe returns to London and income is collected for all UK controlled territories on the Europe map.



  • UK Europe government in exile - version 7 (z106 stays a convoy zone, Canada only).

    If London is captured by an axis power, the capitol of UK Europe moves to Ottawa, Canada.  When an axis power captures London it collects the UK Europe IPCs minus the sum of the value of all Canadian territories.  The remaining IPCs continue to be held by UK Europe and may be used on the next turn as usual.  As long as London is occupied, the UK government in exile will collect income for Canadian territories.  The government in exile will mobilize units only in Canadian industrial complexes.  At the Collect Income phase of the UK Europe turn following the liberation of London, the government of UK Europe returns to London and income is collected for all UK controlled territories on the Europe map.



  • UK Europe government in exile - version 8 (Germany takes all IPCs, z106 stays a convoy zone, Canada only).

    If London is captured by an axis power, the capitol of UK Europe moves to Ottawa, Canada.  When an axis power captures London it collects all of the UK Europe IPCs.  On its next turn, and as long as London is occupied, the UK government in exile will collect income for Canadian territories.  The government in exile will mobilize units only in Canadian industrial complexes.  At the Collect Income phase of the UK Europe turn following the liberation of London, the government of UK Europe returns to London and income is collected for all UK controlled territories on the Europe map.



  • So far, my vote goes to version 6.



  • In the spirit of minimizing setup changes, how would you all feel if the following sentence is added to the gov’t in exile rule:

    Once London falls and the government in exile relocates to Canada, a new airbase is immediately mobilized in Nova Scotia, at 0 IPC cost to UK Europe.

    This way, there is no airbase unless London falls.  No sea lion = no airbase, no setup changes required.

    I would like to see this sentence added, plus that part about z106 ceasing to be a convoy raid zone while London is axis controlled.

    Opinions?



  • I was wondering what prompted this idea? I couldn’t find any background in this thread or the orignal Delta thread, just wondering what the wrong is that everyone’s attempting to right.

    C



  • @Vance:

    In the spirit of minimizing setup changes, how would you all feel if the following sentence is added to the gov’t in exile rule:

    Once London falls and the government in exile relocates to Canada, a new airbase is immediately mobilized in Nova Scotia, at 0 IPC cost to UK Europe.

    This way, there is no airbase unless London falls.  No sea lion = no airbase, no setup changes required.

    I would like to see this sentence added, plus that part about z106 ceasing to be a convoy raid zone while London is axis controlled.

    Opinions?

    Why not leave out the airbase altogether then? I don’t see a reason why one would have to appear in NS anyway.

    I’m staying at my standpoint that the government in exile is already a gift to the UK in itself and doesn’t need to be made any stronger. Au contraire, there should be chaos and panic in the commonwealth 😉

    (so that means i chose version 8 )


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Okay, the only reason I came up with an airbase in Nova Scotia was so that a British plane could get from Canada to England and be available for defending London on Round 2, however, that plane would not be close enough to anything to be used in Combat on Round 1.

    Perhaps Iceland would be better.  I know there were bombing sorties and anti-submarine activities based from Iceland and it’s not too much closer to England than Nova Scotia and would end all the chatter about an airbase in Canada.



  • @Cmdr:

    Okay, the only reason I came up with an airbase in Nova Scotia was so that a British plane could get from Canada to England and be available for defending London on Round 2, however, that plane would not be close enough to anything to be used in Combat on Round 1.

    Perhaps Iceland would be better.  I know there were bombing sorties and anti-submarine activities based from Iceland and it’s not too much closer to England than Nova Scotia and would end all the chatter about an airbase in Canada.

    I understand the origin of the AB, and in that context it makes sense and i have no problem with it. But giving it after UK falls is sorta missing the whole point of that.

    I like the idea of putting it in Iceland because that way it finally gets used. (by the way, without AB in Canada a plane from Quebec could get to the UK via Iceland as well, but that would mean it can only get in UK on time in case of a Sealion in G3.



  • So at this point, it sounds like everyone agrees that there is really no need for an airbase in Nova Scotia.  It would be cute to be able to send fighters back and forth in 1 move, but is sinking the sub(s) in z106 really so important that it requires a setup change?  maybe not.

    It would also be nice to have scramblers to defend a fleet in z106, but what fleet?  Perhaps the enormous American fleet that will be parked there for 1 turn before they liberate UK.  Such a fleet will have capitol ships to soak up any hits from U-boats and the Halifax shipyard can repair them.

    It would also be cool if UK could have a fighter that is in a useless position UK1, but that can be moved to London UK2 to defend against a G3 sea lion.  If you think so, then I suggest that one of you propose the Iceland Fighter as a setup change item to be voted on in the main Delta thread.

    Unless anyone has any objections, I am going to say Government in Exile shall have no setup changes associated with it.  OK?



  • I think when london falls all infantry in canada should turn into canadian infantrymen!

    canadian infantrymen
    atk 9 def 9 move 1/2(2 during winter turns) cost 35 (do to small population)
    abilitsy
    can blitz on winter turns.
    turns enemy soldiers into more canadians after 2 rounds of fighting
    fires pre emptivly.

    (I joke)



  • That’s a fun idea irock, but sorry. No.



  • To help us think about the implications of what should happen to UK Europe’s IPCs when Germany takes London, I came up with 2 scenarios to think about.  Please don’t say “that’s not how I play”; it’s just an exercise.

    In the original draft of the Gov’t in Exile rule, UK would keep 7 IPCs for Canada and Germany would get the rest.  The normal thing would be for Germany to take all the money.

    Scenario 1: Germany takes all UK’s Europe IPCs
    Round 1:
    Germany buys a carrier; sea lion is on the table. We’ve seen this player do this before.
    USSR moves sub to z111; build includes 3 subs in z127 (wierd I know but watch)
    USA moves pacific fleet to z64, fighters to Eastern US; build includes tts and dd in z101
    UK builds infantry and flies planes home; activate Ireland with 1 inf from Scotland.

    Round 2:
    Germany builds 10 transports
    USSR moves troops westward; subs in z105, z124, z111, z112
    USA assembles massive fleet in z101; build includes 4 Bombers in Eastern US
    UK builds infantry; 1 inf from Ireland back to Scotland; any remaining ships to z109

    Round 3:
    G3 sea lion via z110. London falls with 6 tanks remaining; fleet damaged by 3 scrambled fighters; build includes 1 destroyer; Collect all UK IPCs
    USSR DOW, attacks German fleet with 4 subs; Soviet invasion of Eastern Europe
    USA DOW, 5 Bombers sink remaining German fleet and land in Ireland; fleet moves to z106 or z91; build navy in z10  
    UK Gov’t in Exile; no money to mobilize anything; collect $7

    Round 4:
    Germany mobilizes 3 inf in UK; no transports available; Scotland taken with 2 tanks from UK; all luftwaffe and land units in range to Berlin; destroyer blocks z108 or z104
    USA fleet sinks destroyer and NCMs troops to Ireland.
    UK builds 1 transport in z106

    Round 5:
    USA Liberates London
    UK shleps in 2 units too little too late; collect income.

    Round 6
    UK builds infantry

    Scenario 2: Canada keeps $7 IPCs
    Rounds 1 and 2 are exactly as in scenario 1

    Round 3:
    G3 sea lion via z110. London falls with 6 tanks remaining; fleet damaged by 3 scrambled fighters; build includes 1 destroyer; Collect UK IPCs - 7.
    USSR DOW, attacks German fleet with 4 subs; Soviet invasion of Eastern Europe
    USA DOW; 5 Bombers sink remaining German fleet and land in Ireland; fleet moves to z106 or z91; build navy in z10  
    UK Gov’t in Exile; mobilize 1 transport in z106

    Round 4:
    Germany mobilizes 3 inf in UK; no transports available; Scotland taken with 2 tanks from UK; all luftwaffe and land units in range to Berlin; destroyer blocks z108 or z104
    USA Bombers suicide attack 3 inf, 4 tanks in UK; fleet sinks destroyer and NCMs troops to Ireland.
    UK Liberates London with 1 inf, 1 tank via transport from z106 plus bombard from z109 ship(s); collect income

    Round 5:
    USA liberates Scotland; transports troops from Ireland to reinforce London
    UK Europe builds infantry

    This would be a case of the little Canadian transport that could!  Stranger things can happen eh?


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    I honestly think it is enough of a benefit to allow England to have a capitol in Canada if the London one falls and they need no other benefit at all.

    Here’s the events, in order:

    1)  Germany, Japan or Italy takes London.
    2)  All IPC are lost to the conquering Nation.
    3)  On England’s place a minor complex in Ontario, this becomes the new British capitol for the Europe map.
    4)  At the end of England’s turn, England may collect for all British territories on the Europe map.

    Basically, the capitol moves, you put a complex on the new capitol and treat England like a nation that has liberated it’s capitol.



  • Why would they need a second minor IC?  They already have one in Quebec and they only have $7 to spend per turn.



  • My guess is because she has trouble seeing a capital without an IC, much like she has  trouble seeing Paris without an aa gun…I mean its a captial and ALL captials have aa guns in ever iteration of the game…


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    @JimmyHat:

    My guess is because she has trouble seeing a capital without an IC, much like she has  trouble seeing Paris without an aa gun…I mean its a captial and ALL captials have aa guns in ever iteration of the game…

    Darn tootin!  But more than that too, it allows Canada to place 6 units.  I’m assuming England still has 18 IPC or more for a while after London falls, at least they could put out 6 infantry to defend the new Capitol.



  • No no. After London falls, Germany takes UK Europe’s money.  All the gov’t in exile has is the $7 they start earning for the Canadian territories.  The will never have more than $7 to spend unless they save it up or liberate London.



  • Is there a version where it says to swap the minor in Quebec with a major once the UK gov. becomes exiled?



  • No we don’t have a version like that.  It seems kind of wierd to be moving a facility like a minor IC.  Maybe there could be an item in the setup changes vote for moving the Minor IC in Quebec to Ontario at setup (just like the moving malta airbase to egypt idea)


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