UK Gov't in exile Discussion - Delta 1

Imperious Leader, SS, and myself have been discussing “Call Shots”, or as I (still) think of them: “pick the hit unit on 1”, in my thread about adding Heavy Artillery to Classic A&A. I pasted in the full transcript below. I thought I would break this out to its own conversation.

So far, what is being discussed as a Call Shot is when a player rolls a 1 when attacking with Battleships, Tactical Bombers, or Heavy Artillery, the player who rolls the one picks the unit taken as a loss.

I am very skeptical of Call Shots. I will admit that I haven’t played with such rules so I don’t have any personal experience. And while I wouldn’t call it game-breaking to give certain units special powers when I roll a 1 for your attack, it just doesn’t sit well in my mind.

So I thought I would make this a separate topic so that others could chime in. I’m willing to be convinced and admit that I do need to try it out. But I also doubt that I’m the only one for whom the thought of my opponent picking my losses leaves a bad taste in my mouth…

-Midnight_Reaper

Full transcript:
@SS:

@Midnight_Reaper:

@SS:

@Midnight_Reaper:

@Imperious:

1 on Attack roll you pick the target with no return fire

Try it one of two ways:

what we call a “call shot” pick land unit as loss alternatively if you roll a one, defender chooses loss and that unit cant fire back

you will like one of these options

I would have to try them out before I could give a full opinion of them. My question to you is: why the emphasis on ‘pick the hit unit on 1’ rules? Is this a new addition to the meta of house rules here? Submarines have pretty much also fought this way, but I’ve previously seen proposed house rules for Tac Bombers to ‘pick their hit on 1’. Is this becoming a thing?

Should I start a new thread to ask about the popularity and usefulness of ‘pick your hit on 1’ critical strike rules?

-Midnight_Reaper

I have in my WW2 40 game Tac (Dive) bombers  D12  A7 D4 M4 C10 roll a 2 or less on A and D can pick target with no return shot for ground and naval. The 2 or less roll hit is for more of a accurate shot on a piece. So I use the Tac as a 2 different scenario.

Also in one of my 39 games there are Dive Bombers and Naval Figs that can pick the target on a 4 (Dive) or 1 (Fig) but the defender still gets a return shot while the attacker gets to pick the piece.
Pretty much these pieces are in just the 39 games and anybody that has housed ruled there game (G40 OOB) but just a few if any. From what I’ve seen posted on site anyway.

It must have been your Tac Bomber rules that I read. It just seems like the idea of “He shoots, he scores, he crits, he picks the casualty!” has become something I’ve noticed of late. As I’ve said before, I’m not a big fan of that idea in the abstract, but I will admit to really needing to try it out for real before I can truly say that I don’t like it at all.

-Midnight_Reaper

The main reason for Tac Bombers to have this call shot is for both ground and naval attacks plus it gets the Tac Bomber more involved in the game. There like the Cruiser. Nobody really buys them. Thats also why my Cruiser is (D12)  A7 D7 M2 C9. (but you need to lower your destroyers 1 value in A and D). So Destroyers would be A3 D3.  Its a good boost for Anzac, FEC and Italy. As I stated before you need to play test everything.

You could try with the defender at least gets a return shot if you have your doubts.

@SS:

@Imperious:

My question to you is: why the emphasis on ‘pick the hit unit on 1’ rules?

This again is what we call : Call shot

Having something that breaks up the idea that the loser of the unit can choose whatever he wants as a combat loss is a good thing. The artillery units generally carpet bomb whole areas of the battlefield, and Heavy Artillery doing the most damage. Second having such a unit makes it very valuable in the game, by playing you will find out. Thirdly its really fun and i would further suggest the Battleship have this capability. Reason: because the BB has the guns of the greatest range and can shoot targets before they can fire back as they need to be closer to even have a chance.

Oh great IL. Now I got to add this to my Battleships in games !  :-D

Death Heads plays by me and he wanted the no return shot from Battleships and Cruisers  for 39 game and we played 2 games that way but the rest of guys in group didn’t want it. Go figure. I can at least see the Battleship Bombardment hit gets a no return shot. its like pulling teeth with some people but what it is is what it is.  :wink:

The Nazi practice of infiltration of the politics of a neutral they want on their side. They finance, provide support and weapons to overthrow and supplant the existing government.

Yugoslavia
Hungary
Romania
Bulgaria
etc.

@WILD:

@Imperious:

Well if you allow BB and CV to take 2 turns to build and pay half each turn, it makes alot of sense to buy cruisers. The 3 move is great, but not sure to give it a 4 MOVE if from a naval port.

I’m also experimenting with many more convoy zones (UK convoy routes) mostly in the Atlantic, around Africa, and the Med. I’m hoping that giving the cruiser 3 moves (4 from nb) allows the axis to use it as a convoy raider at times because it can out run (or keep pace) with the allies ships. Adding more convoy zones is also making German subs more viable as commerce raiders.

To Baron Munchhausen, yea escort or light carrier would probably be a better terms then support carrier. I’ve been using A0, D1, M2-3, C12-carries 1 plane.  You bring up a good point about many of these light carriers were built on cruiser hulls though. Being this is a new ship for me at a relatively low cost (12 IPCs) I think I will keep it with the standard move of 2-3 for now (to warrant the cruiser at 12 IPC as the only fast ship), but will probably take a 3-4 move light carrier for a spin at some point.

PS: I’m really liking the 2 turn capital ship builds, and it is making ship building pretty interesting.

I’m also thinking about limiting 2 turn capital ship builds to major ICs (exception of USA who’s minors will be majors at some point). You can drop a capital ship at one of your minor ICs, but it takes an extra turn for delivery (3 turns to build). This is basically to stop the US or Japan from building capital ships in remote places. I would allow the UK Pac, Anz, Canada etc to build capital ships at their minor ICs, but theoretically they pay for the ship, it is built in England and delivered to the minor IC over 3 turns (same concept for the other powers building at their minor ICs). I realize that you could make a point that any ship built at a minor IC should be +1 turn because most ship yards would be at in the home territory where the major IC is (looking at that too lol).

Adding CVL to Cruiser, both at M3-4, makes a way to depict the historical US Fast Task Force fleet in PTO.
I made a house rule for Convoy Raid. It works well with 1942.2 and AA50.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=35687.msg1467061#msg1467061

G40 DELTA HOUSE RULES (2nd Edition)

The Research and Development phase from the regular A&A G40 2nd Edition rules has now been removed and replaced by the Fortunes of War phase. This new phase and other new elements listed below work together to create G40 Delta:

1. The “Fortunes of War phase” is when most of the new activity happens.
2. “Strategic Advantages” give nations special abilities that improve their overall war effort.
3. “Progressive Advantages” are additional abilities that must be earned over the course of a game.
4. “Strategic Objectives” are either new or modified National objectives.
5. “City Objectives” are bonus rewards in addition to the Strategic Objectives
6, “Optional Rules” are a mix of rule modifications to help balance the game on different levels.

THE FORTUNES OF WAR PHASE

The “Fortunes of War” phase (FOW), happens once each game round just before Germany’s turn sequence. During each FOW phase, nations choose strategic advantages and make progress rolls for progressive advantages.

STRATEGIC ADVANTAGES

During each FOW phase up to R10, a predetermined nation will automatically gain a “Strategic Advantage”, but may only choose from the 2 advantages available at that time. Strategic advantages become effective immediately once chosen, and nations will benefit from their advantages for the remainder of the game. However, once an advantage has been passed, it will never again become available.

For example: during R1, every nation except China will choose between Airborne Assault Troops and War Time Production, also, eligible nations will make their first progress roll. During R2 FOW phase , only Germany may choose between Enigma and Blitzkrieg, however, eligible nations will make their second progress roll… and so forth.

Some advantages become void when that nation losses their capital city. Advantages that become lost due to their capital being captured are noted in the advantage description, and they become reinstated once the capital city is liberated, all other advantages remain unaffected when the capital is in enemy hands.

Here are the available strategic advantages, and the game rounds (R#) they are eligible to be chosen in:

R1 - Germany / UK / Russia / Japan / USA / Italy / ANZAC / France

1A - Airborne Assault Troops
Up to 2 infantry units from a friendly operational airbase may attack an enemy territory up to 3 spaces away, provided that territory is also being attacked by land units coming from an adjacent territory, or sea zone.

Airborne Assault troops may not retreat once deployed, or be supported by artillery units during the resolve combat phase. The territory under attack must contain at least 1 enemy land unit, and the attacking force must have air superiority (meaning they must have equal to, or more air units attacking than the enemy has defending).

or

1B - War Time Production (void with loss of capital city)
Major ICs may now produce a maximum of 12 units, and minor ICs may now produce a maximum of 4. The maximum damage that can be applied to these facilities has not changed, however, ICs must be fully operational (zero damage) in order to produce the extra unit/s.

R2 - Germany

2A - Enigma
German submarine units now attack at 3 or less, and receive 3 dice each when disrupting convoys.

or

2B - Blitzkrieg
Each German mechanized infantry unit may now blitz alone, and transport an artillery unit up to 2 spaces during their combat movement, or non-combat movement phase.

R3 - United Kingdom

3A - Radar (void with the loss of capital city)
All British interceptors, AA artillery units, and built in AA guns now defend @2 or less. Also, operational airbases may now scramble up to 4 fighters to defend adjacent sea zones.

or

3B - Commonwealth Aid
All units (except infantry) produced by original minor ICs in Canada, and South Africa are now 1 IPC cheaper.

R4 - United States

4A - War Bonds Campaign (void with loss of capital city)
America now rolls 2 dice every round during their collect income phase, and may collect that amount in additional IPCs +1.

or

4B - Uncle Sam Campaign (void with loss of capital city)
America now receives 3 free infantry units every turn during their place new units phase (1 in Eastern United States, 1 in Central United States, and 1 in Western United States).

R5 - Japan

5A - Long Lance Torpedos
All hits from attacking Japanese destroyers must be applied to enemy capital ships first.

or

5B - Tokyo Express
Japanese destroyers may transport one infantry unit each provided they are offloaded on to Japanese controlled Islands. Also, all Japanese infantry units on Islands now defend @3 or less.

R6 - Soviet Union

6A - Tankograd
All Russian ICs now have a non-combat movement value of 1, and may now produce tanks for 1 IPC less.

Russian ICs that have made a non combat movement may still build units during their place new units phase. Also, Russian ICs must be fully operational in order to move, and two ICs may never occupy one territory at the same time.

or

6B - Trans-Siberian Railway (void with loss of capital city)
Any number of Russian infantry units, artillery units, and/or AA artillery units may now move from Russia to Novosibirsk, Timguska, Yenisey, or Yakut S.S.R within a single non-combat movement, provided the line to their destination is not broken, the destination is under Russian control, and the movement originated from Moscow.

R7 - United States

7A - Super Fortresses
When American strategic bombers attack (weather in a battle or SBR), they now receive 2 dice each and the attacker may select the best result. Also, American strategic bombers now hit at 2 or less when defending against interceptors, and are now immune to built in AA guns during SBRs.

or

7B - Essex Class Carriers
All American aircraft carriers now have an attack value @2, and their maximum capacity has now increased to 3 air units.

R8 - Germany

8A - Dora
Germany may bombard an enemy territory or hostile sea zone during each combat round @3 or less, provided the battle contains at least 1 German unit, and is adjacent to a German controlled territory in Europe.

or

8B - V-Rockets
Germany may launch a rocket attack from each operational airbase under German control, towards an enemy facility up to 4 spaces away. Germany rolls 1 die per rocket causing that amount of damage to the targeted facility +1, provided it can survive all SBR defences (interceptors and built in AA guns).

R9 - Japan

9A - Banzai Attack
For the 1st combat round only, all Japanese Infantry units attack @2 or less, and @3 or less when supported by artillery (mechanized infantry units non applicable).

or

9B - Super Submarines
Japanese Submarines perform as normal, however, they may now carry 1 fighter each (all aircraft carrier rules apply, however, tactical bombers may not be used, and super submarines do not block enemy naval movements).

R10 - Germany / UK / Russia / Japan / USA / Italy / ANZAC / France

10A - Long Range Aircraft
The movement value of all air units has now increased by 1.

or

10B - Modernized Shipyards (void with loss of capital city)
Sea units are now cheaper to build:

Battleship = $17
Aircraft Carrier = $13
Cruiser = $9
Destroyer = $7
Transport = $6
Submarine = $5

PROGRESSIVE ADVANTAGES

During each Fortunes of War Phase, all eligible nations will make a progress roll using 1 die. Each nation will add the results from their progress rolls during each FOW phase throughout the game until they reach a total of 25 progress points. Once a nation has accumulated 25 progress points, their designated “Progressive Advantage” will immediately become available (or effective).

To track this progress, players shall place their progressive advantage card face up on the table, and than stack chips on it in the amount of progress points achieved throughout the game rounds. Nations may not make progressive rolls during FOW phases in which their capital is under enemy control.

The progressive advantages “Russian Winter”, “Manhattan Project”, “Flying Tigers” and “Kamikaze Honor” are advantages that have a special one time effect, therefore, they will become effective again if the Soviet Union, United States, China, and Japan can reach 25 progress points a second time (progress points gained from one roll exceeding 25 will carry over and count towards the next 25).

Here are the Progressive Advantages available, and the eligible nations assigned to them:

Germany

Jet Fighters
All German fighters now attack at 4 or less, they also intercept and escort @2 or less.

Soviet Union

Russian Winter
Russia rolls 2 dice, and Germany must remove from original Russian territories that many infantry units +1.

Japan

Kamikaze Honor
All Kamikaze tokens are reloaded to 6, and now hit @3 or less. Also, Japan may now use kamikazes to attack in designated kamikaze sea zones as well as defend.

United States

Manhattan Project
America chooses an enemy capital and may then roll 3 dice to damage the IC, 2 dice to remove IPCs, and 1 dice to destroy units on that territory (enemy chooses which casualties to remove).

China

Flying Tigers
China will receive one free fighter during their next place new units phase, but only if they control at least 1 of their original territories.

United Kingdom

Around the Clock Bombing
All British strategic bombers departing from an operational airbase may now conduct SBRs on America’s turn as well as their own.

Italy

Self-Propelled Guns
Each Italian artillery unit may now support up to 2 attacking infantry and/or Mechanized infantry units

France

Viva La France (control of Paris is not required to gain this advantage)
During each place new units phase, France may build 2 free infantry units on any original French territory or territories they still control, or original French territory or territories occupied by their Allies.

STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES

Strategic Objectives are a modification, or a replacement of the original national objectives in the regular rules. Strategic objectives rewarding nations for owning all their original territories, are specific to the roundels printed on each territory. Also, the Japan strategic objective “Trade With America” is the only objective that is collected during a nation’s peace time.

Germany

Deutschland
$5 - Germany controls all their original territories

Caucasus Oil Fields
$5 - An Axis power controls Caucasus

Africa Korps
$5 - Germany has 3 or more land units in Africa.

Soviet Union (When at war with Germany)

Motherland
$5 - Russia controls all their original territories

Lend Lease Act
$5 - The Allied powers control Archangel and there are no axis warships is sea zone #125

Communist Pride
$5 - There are no Allied units on original Russian territories

United States

The Far North
$5 - US controls Alaska and the Aleutian Islands

North America
$5 - US controls Western United States, Central United States, and Eastern United States

Central America
$5 - US controls Mexico, Southeast Mexico, Central America, and West Indies

The Outer Perimeter
$5 - US controls Midway, Wake Island, Hawaiian Islands, Johnston Island, and Line Island

The South Pacific
$5 - The Allied powers control The Philippines, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, and Celebes

Japan

Trade With USA
$5 - Japan has not attacked FIC, and is not at war with the Pacific Allies

Chinese Capitulation
$5 - Japan controls all Chinese original territories

The South Pacific
$5 - Japan controls the Philippines, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, and Celebes

China

Chinese Domination
$5 - China controls all their original territories
(China may now attack Korea, and may also liberate FIC)

The Burma Road
$5 - The Allied powers control the Burma road
(China may now produce artillery units and tanks)

United Kingdom

British Empire
$5 - The United Kingdom controls London, Calcutta, Quebec, and South Africa

The Burma Road
$5 - The Allied powers control the Burma road

Operation Ultra
$5 - There are no Axis submarine units in the Atlantic

Italy

The Mediterranean Coast
$5 - The Axis powers control 3 of the 4 following territories, Gibraltar, Southern France, Greece, and/or Egypt

The Mediterranean Sea
$5 - There are no Allied warships in the Mediterranean

The Middle East
$5 - Italy controls Iraq, northwest Persia, and Persia

North Africa
$5 - The Axis powers control 6 of the 7 following territiries: Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Tobruk, Alexandria, and/or Egypt

ANZAC

Pacific Gateway
$5 - ANZAC controls all their original territories

The South Pacific
$5 - The Allied powers control the Philippines, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, and Celebes

Expeditionary Force
$5 - The Allied powers control Malaya, and Egypt

CITY OBJECTIVES

A city is considered active once it has been captured for the first time, and will remain active for the rest of the game no matter which nation controls it. Once activated, capital cities are each worth a $5 city objective bonus, and non-capital cities are each worth a $2 city objective bonus. Shanghai is the only city that begins the game active, which will give Japan a city objective bonus of $2 to start the game. Capital cities, and non-capital cities that have never been captured at least once, are inactive and have zero city objective value.

Axis Capital Cities

Berlin
Rome
Tokyo

Axis Non-Capital Cities

Warsaw

Allied Capital Cities

Washington
London
Paris
Moscow
Sydney

Allied Non-Capital Cities

Ottawa
Cairo
Leningrad
Stalingrad
Shanghai
Hong Kong
Calcutta
Manila
Honolulu
San Francisco

OPTIONAL RULES

Base Command
Strategic Bombers conducting SBRs only receive a +2 damage bonus if they have departed from an operational airbase.

Deep Decent
Air units may fire upon submarines during the 1st combat round only. Attacking or defending warships may continue to target enemy submarines, however, submarines may not be used as casualties from hits by air units after round 1.

Limited Action
Damaged battleships may no longer bombard during an amphibious assault.

BCATP “The Plan”
A British fighter has been added to the initial set up in Ontario.

War Economy
The British economy is no longer split between London and Calcutta, instead, the United Kingdom will now collect one income for all territories owned on the map with London as it’s capital. All IPCs must be relinquished each time an enemy power captures London, however, Calcutta is no longer a capital city, and the major IC on India has been downgraded to a minor. This optional rule is highly suggested due to the strategic objective card “British Empire”.

Political Sovereignty
A change in the neutrality status of Strict Neutral territories in South America has no influence over Strict Neutral territories anywhere else, and vise versa.

Global Victory
The following victory condition has been added to the regular rules: The first side to claim a combined 12 victory cities including 1 enemy capital city will win the game.

Mutual Allies
In the event of a 6 player game, the Soviet Union will play China, the United States will play ANZAC, and the United Kingdom will play France.

Well some are very similar. Ill try and write up a comparison of the two rule sets later.
Though I do prefer the tech token system in this rule set, tokens being 3 IPCs rather than 5, Success on 5-6, failure on 1-2, token awarded on 3-4

Im not sure if the game can handle ongoing costs……counting all your units at the end of each turn is going to get complicated.
Also, technically only units that move during a turn are expending oil…so shit would get crazy.

@Razor:

I totally agree with you, too bad Larry and WOTC doesnt  :-(

I think Larry is warming to the idea, but it may just be a matter of not enough time to test it out.

Tac bombers should not be able to do as much damage as strat bombers. We have same rule, but the tacs damage is halved rounded up for 1-3 damage to a facility. Far more realistic.