UK Gov't in exile Discussion - Delta 1



  • @Vance:

    Play test it and if it is too pro-allies (which I think it will be), then change it back to just the Canadian territories rather than the whole Europe map.  Remember that the Neutral Blocks thing will be very pro-axis so it might balance out.

    Well we don’t want a pro axis neutral blocks do we?  Perhaps adding more units to Turkey will dissuade the axis?  Must playtest:)



  • Just when I think we are close, we fall back down the rabbit hole. Vance has been working his tail off trying to come up with a simple rule that we can all accept, but I’m starting to think that it’s impossible when so many of us have such different views. With all my gaming in my basement and the hours on the computer, especially since Delta+1, I’m tired and my wife is starting to call me obsessed. I am not giving up, but I have expressed my concerns on this rule and I’m going to move on to other issues with Delta. I believe gov. in exile is in good hands with Vance and I would love it if he could organize the polls for all the winning ideas in discussion threads, but after seeing the work involved with trying to finalize this one rule. I wouldn’t blame him one bit if he declined.



  • Hitler would have had you summarily executed for defeatism!:)

    I think Vance has this under control, I’ll go with whatever is voted on to playtest, because it is only through playtesting that we can see if the idea will be valid.



  • I would have been executed for lighting a cigarette…… oh well.



  • I can do more of these, but I just hope that whoever originally puts forth an idea helps with it because they will have the best idea what they are trying to achieve.  I also hope that everyone continues to have the positive and openminded attitude that you all have shown with this one.  No personal attacks, no childishness, all good!

    As for Gov’t in Exile, I would say the next step is obvious.  First, some experienced players should play with the rule as it stands now and see if indeed the Allies win all the time (my own bet is they will).  Next, replay those games but with UK in Exile plus the Neutral Blocks rule. I think those two might balance each other out.  If they don’t, then try limiting UK in exile to earning just the 7 IPCs for Canada and see what happens.  Experimental approach.



  • Thank you Vance, this is great news, you did such a great job in this thread, being fair and diplomatic, it’s nice to know that each discussion thread will get the same treatment. We will all work with you to make your efforts easier.

    Respect.



  • @Young:

    Thank you Vance, this is great news, you did such a great job in this thread, being fair and diplomatic, it’s nice to know that each discussion thread will get the same treatment. We will all work with you to make your efforts easier.

    Respect.

    +1

    I think you’re doing great Vance, I also appreciate the various options you have been giving us.  I hope to do the same in the Neutral Blocks thread, which is nearing completion.



  • Thanks!



  • Vance, Where are we with “UK government in exile”?



  • See reply #140 above.  Recommend playtesting this version and then possibly consider if UK in exile income should be limited to Canadian territories.



  • @Young:

    Thank you Vance, this is great news, you did such a great job in this thread, being fair and diplomatic, it’s nice to know that each discussion thread will get the same treatment. We will all work with you to make your efforts easier.

    Respect.

    yeah!



  • ANNOUNCEMENT**

    United Kingdom Political Situation

    "Government in Exile" - (Delta+1 final version)

    Upon the first time London is captured by an Axis power:

    1. The British government must exile to Ottawa, Canada.
    2. All British IPCs (Europe) must be given to the axis power that now controls London.
    3. The United States and Soviet Union must immediately declare war on all axis powers (if not already), and become allies with the United kingdom.

    During exile:

    1. The UK may collect income from all territories (Europe) that are still under British control.
    2. The UK may only mobilize new units from ICs in Canada.

    After liberation:

    1. The UK government may return to London, and regain all privileges of their previous sovereignty, or choose to stay in Canada until London stabilizes (decision must be made at the end of the UK turn).
    2. If London falls a second time while the government is there, they may not exile again, and all income, purchasing, and placement rights are lost until another successful liberation has been achieved.

    Issues before Delta+2:

    1. Weather or not the UK in exile should continue to collect income from all territories remaining in British control, or just territories from Canada.



  • @Young:

    1. The UK government may return to London, and regain all privileges of their previous sovereignty, or choose to stay in Canada until London stabilizes (decision must be made at the end of the UK turn).

    oh?

    So why would UK decide to have London as capitol again while Canada is safer? (if they still collect the same amount of IPC’s)



  • The only advantage would be they could start mobilizing units at ICs outside Canada.



  • @Vance:

    The only advantage would be they could start mobilizing units at ICs outside Canada.

    Which would be a biggie considering that they would have to build units there in order to strengthen its defenses, and guard from a second invasion.



  • and transports are expensive, so it would be worth it to move back to UK maybe the turn after liberation perhaps with reinforcements from USA maybe



  • I think we have a good one, play testing before Delta+2 will tell a bigger story, but I like that this rule is relatively simple, condensed and won’t seem to contaminate other game mechanics.



  • @Vance:

    The only advantage would be they could start mobilizing units at ICs outside Canada.

    ah yes, i forgot about that. good.



  • Hey Vance or Jenn, could we post the agreed upon final ruleset as the last post in this thread and then lock it for quick reference later?



  • In Delta 1 the following section should be added to the “political situation”.

    UK Europe government in exile.

    The first time London is captured by an axis power, the capitol of UK Europe moves to Ottawa, Canada. The axis power that captures London seizes all IPCs currently held by UK Europe. The United States and Soviet union immediately join the Allies if they are not yet at war. Beginning at the Collect Income phase of its next turn, and as long as the UK government is in exile, it will collect income for all UK controlled territories on the Europe map. The government in exile may mobilize units only in Canadian industrial complexes.

    Once per game, at the Collect Income phase of a turn when the UK government is in exile and London has been liberated, the Government in exile may return to London; or it may choose to remain in Canada. When it returns to London, the UK Europe government will continue to collect income for all UK controlled territories on the Europe map and on the following turn it may mobilize units in any UK controlled industrial complex on the Europe map.



  • OK, got it.


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