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    @Cmdr:

    No, the Royal navy is dead.  I don’t need any fighters or bombers for France anymore, it’s a pushover and I usually get at least France and W. France without any aircraft help, sometimes if I feel high and mighty, I take S. France too.

    It’s round 2 attack because I need the airforce for round 1.  Smack the crud out of England on Round 2 so they can’t build as much and then pull out on round 3 so they get a nice, fat paycheck for you to take round 4.  Since on Round 4 everyone can attack anyway, there’s no deterrant.

    I see now.  By round 4, even if the Russians do attack you have enough stuff along the border that they won’t get very far while you are finishing off England.  Then on round 5, you have all those lovely British Pounds to spend and really focus your attention on the Red Menace. 
    So you don’t try to convoy raid them with your subs, right?  Just pound their factories, let them spend money on repairs which of course means less on units, then collect a full income for you to take round 4.  Good thinking!

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @knp7765:

    @Cmdr:

    No, the Royal navy is dead.  I don’t need any fighters or bombers for France anymore, it’s a pushover and I usually get at least France and W. France without any aircraft help, sometimes if I feel high and mighty, I take S. France too.

    It’s round 2 attack because I need the airforce for round 1.  Smack the crud out of England on Round 2 so they can’t build as much and then pull out on round 3 so they get a nice, fat paycheck for you to take round 4.  Since on Round 4 everyone can attack anyway, there’s no deterrant.

    I see now.  By round 4, even if the Russians do attack you have enough stuff along the border that they won’t get very far while you are finishing off England.  Then on round 5, you have all those lovely British Pounds to spend and really focus your attention on the Red Menace. 
    So you don’t try to convoy raid them with your subs, right?  Just pound their factories, let them spend money on repairs which of course means less on units, then collect a full income for you to take round 4.  Good thinking!

    Do neither on round 3.  You want that pretty paycheck.

    Then you can transport all those pretties back home.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    And in India, if you have to trade 3-5 aircraft to get it prior to USA coming into the war, it’s worth the investment!  No England anywhere on the map = yummy!


  • @Cmdr:

    @JimmyHat:

    Ugh, thats a punch in the guts.  The only way to hit bmbs used to be the aa gun….now there is no way.

    Aye.  That’s the idea.  You can even insulate yourself against facility AA Guns by bringing Tactical Bombers in to soak hits on “their” runs against a base so you could preserve your strategic bombers.

    Awesome, the best unit in the game…has the most movement, can hit sea and air, and rolls a 4…cannot be taken down!  I think Larry needs to add more bmb’s then!  Lets do 4 per country and see how many get shot down over the course of a game.

    I am feeling totally lost because what I assume was a great game is turning into this pile of muck that smells awful and isnt pretty to look at.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Actually, I like the bombers and AA Gun changes…I dont like all the units they took away from England it’s almost as if Larry WANTs England totally removed from the game before anyone can do anything to help them.

    I’d, personally, take Alpha 2 but with the AA Gun changes.

    @JimmyHat:

    @Cmdr:

    @JimmyHat:

    Ugh, thats a punch in the guts.  The only way to hit bmbs used to be the aa gun….now there is no way.

    Aye.  That’s the idea.  You can even insulate yourself against facility AA Guns by bringing Tactical Bombers in to soak hits on “their” runs against a base so you could preserve your strategic bombers.

    Awesome, the best unit in the game…has the most movement, can hit sea and air, and rolls a 4…cannot be taken down!  I think Larry needs to add more bmb’s then!  Lets do 4 per country and see how many get shot down over the course of a game.

    I am feeling totally lost because what I assume was a great game is turning into this pile of muck that smells awful and isnt pretty to look at.

  • Customizer

    @Cmdr:

    Actually, I like the bombers and AA Gun changes…I dont like all the units they took away from England it’s almost as if Larry WANTs England totally removed from the game before anyone can do anything to help them.

    I’d, personally, take Alpha 2 but with the AA Gun changes.

    You know what, I tend to agree with you for the most part.  Alpha +2 was a really good setup.  I don’t like that they weakend France so much.  There should be some British units in France and Normandy.  Also, I still don’t like the wording of the new Soviet NO, but we won’t get into that again.
    However, I do like the new AA Gun rules of Alpha+3.  I also like the new Italian setup, mainly spreading out the fleet a little and putting both Italian fighters on the air base.  I do like that Germany gets an extra bomber and tank, but I also agree that perhaps Sealion is somewhat too easy now.  Just not sure how would be the best way to change that.
    One other thing I DON"T like about Alpha+3 setup is losing 2 airbases for UK.  Don’t really care about the one on Malta, but Gibraltar should definitely have an airbase.


  • I totally agree with you,knp7765

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I’m good with keeping the extra bombers for Germany, Italy and England; Alpha +2; AA Gun Rules and Placements from Alpha +3; Technology Changes in Alpha +3


  • @Axistiger13:

    @knp7765:

    One other thing I DON"T like about Alpha+3 setup is losing 2 airbases for UK.  Don’t really care about the one on Malta, but Gibraltar should definitely have an airbase.

    I totally agree with you,knp7765

    i also agree.

    As for the Malta AB: not necessary but made the game more more interesting.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    The discussions leading up to when the Air Bases were removed was revolving around saving the Italian navy.  I think that is why Larry took the two airbases off the Med.

    Edit:  I think it would have been better to add an Airbase to N. Italy in addition to the one in S. Italy and that would have accomplished saving the Italian fleets in SZ 95/97 as well without gimping England’s defense.


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    @Axistiger13:

    @knp7765:

    One other thing I DON"T like about Alpha+3 setup is losing 2 airbases for UK.  Don’t really care about the one on Malta, but Gibraltar should definitely have an airbase.

    I totally agree with you,knp7765

    i also agree.

    As for the Malta AB: not necessary but made the game more more interesting.

    I agree too.

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    @BigBadBruce:

    @special:

    @Axistiger13:

    @knp7765:

    One other thing I DON"T like about Alpha+3 setup is losing 2 airbases for UK.  Don’t really care about the one on Malta, but Gibraltar should definitely have an airbase.

    I totally agree with you,knp7765

    i also agree.

    As for the Malta AB: not necessary but made the game more more interesting.

    I believe historically, the Malta air base was more important and used more frequently than the air base in Gibraltar.

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