Politics

@JWW:

WOW

Was there a complaint or something?

Did some-one’s post upset a few people?

Things seemed kind of civil to me but maybe I missed an explosive hostile rant from someone? Damn if that’s the case I feel like I really missed out.  :-(

Hope not.  Balung and I were just having some fun for old past time’s sake. :)

Sorry guys, ‘Strongly Liberal’ didn’t get posted as an option–I don’t know what happened. I’ll rectify it, and you guys can vote again if you like. :oops:

@Deviant:Scripter:

You’re wrong. It’s better to take the fight overseas rather than let it reach our homeland, regardless of the price we have to pay. This holds true for the war on terrorism as well. :-? Better to fight them over there, than over here…

How non economic.
If the price to fight here is less than to fight there … why would you bring the fight there?

The reality exists that countries do what they have to do, in order to ensure the safety of their country. But I do agree with you on one important point…the fact that US laws do not apply to non-US citizens…

“to ensure safety of their country” … the point is that europe has been through this, when nations tried to ensure “their safety” by thinking for what is best for them only, working uni- or bilaterally. Then still, there was the need for major conferences of all major powers. And still, exactly this thinking lead to WWI. Know your history, and learn.
For the “US laws don’t apply to non-US citizens” … have you even thought of the obvious?
Te terrorists attacks on New York were done by non-US citizens … YAY! there was nothing wrong with them then, no laws broken !
I should really come over and burn down your house … YAY! i did nothing illegal!!

@ZimZaxZeo:

Now, I dig your logic … and I would add simply that the people of the American nation either have to be for democracy, and this can only be universal democracy, or they have to be against it. Perhaps this Kaplan is using some seige mentality “warrior” reasoning that prefers to avoid messy things like differences of opinion between nations, in favor of having a nice, neat, manageable world where the US gets all the goodies while five billion other people can live under dictators and totalitarian regimes.

I totally agree with you (your arguing with a universal democracy), that’s why i find it …. in german you’d call it “perfide”, having one thing, but for your very own and selfish interest not wanting that others have it, especially when it is regarded as a common “good”.

BTW, we didn’t have an India thread this far AFAIR. And even though it still may be (i wasn’t there) a tolerant nation, i fear that fanatism might rise there, though i hope it does not.

Candyman67,
Thanks! I thought of that and then let it slip from my mind. Guess I was a little tired and distracted(not to mention lazy, ZZZZZZZZ.)

Yanny,
It’s been done this way since it started.

Do you really think that with, let’s say, a 1 to 10 vote majority in the US House of Reps. any party in power wants to throw away their majority? Give it time and it will happen… say in California as businesses and citizens tire of paying increased taxes to pay off a 36 BILLION $ debt.

What are we to do? Create a 5 member panel in each state to gerrymander their states and another one for the US redistricting?
Let’s see…each committee must consist of 1 registered Democrat, 1 registered Republican, 1 unaffiliated conservative, 1 unaffiliated liberal and 1 unaffiliated moderate.
But who determines what an unaffiliated moderate is? Who represents the first time voters? What about states where there are 1 registered Democrat, 1 registered Republican, and 3 unaffiliated liberals? What about the Libertarian or Green Party representation?
Think of the permutations with only 5 members on a panel! AAARG! You do the math.

I henceforth declare myself an independent! Heh! Heh! Heh!

@Yanny:

Heritage means Zip, Zero, Nada, Nothing to me. “10 % French” - Ok, I can understand knowing your Half Italian, but what does it matter if your 10% French? I certaintely am not going to treat you differently because your Half Italian, let alone 10 % french.

You are what make yourself, it doesn’t matter who your parents were.

I agree.

how did we get to this? i think moses mentioned WASP, and i said something…whatever.

Yes, it is someone’s personality that matters, but affirmative action doesn’t seem to think so :P (sorry, low blow!)

@Yanny:

If you could design a government, explain it here.

My Goverment would be a Capitalistic Socialism. Everyone lives in kind of a “Kibbutz” system, one of the decent things to come out of Israel. Children live away from their parents, but still in contact with them. Education is totally free, ranging from Preschool to Univercity level. During this time, you are required to undergoe a small term of Military training. If a war should break out, both sexes can be drafted, and this will serve as kind of a “Pre Boot Camp”

The Government issues all graduates a sum of cash, to be used to buy property, start a business, ect. To pay for this, Income Taxes will be high, in the 70% range. Throughout your life, Health Care and Legal Care is paid for in full by the Government. If you need employment, the Government will find you a suitable job.

Elections will be held exactly like the US Goverment’s. The media is free, and censorship (without permission) of any kind is illegal. Religion will take absolutely zero part in the Government.

Physcologists have done studies over and over… Children learn nearly everything from there parents… Would alternative “school’s” be available?
In my opinion Geurrilla’s are a better form of defense :wink: …like the free cash…but why just kill Income tax and give your citizens a boost in the work force…If you give all those benifits you will have to Inflate the money supply like crazy… do you want Hyper-Inflation and Mach 177 velocity…

Your interesting :wink: …