Carrier and Plane Movement

@gen-manstein yea i’d almost go at it the other way and make the CAs and fast BBs go 3. But that will create it’s own issues. Besides 19 knots is over 20 mph anyway

Probably because its based on a time frame. If you have inf with these landings then they have established a landing. Maybe both sides suck at hitting.
I like where attacking art and tanks get no 1st round attacks and attacking ships bombardment hit art and or a motorized unit first. If non then a inf.
Also when there is a landing most Inf won’t be on the beachhead. They’ll be dug in further back.

If an airbase has more than 2 damage points would therefore be 3 or more which means it’s not functional at all.

I think 3 is too restrictive.

I would be ok with trying a house rule that requires:

1. Air Base is completely damage free for any extra movement range period.

2. 3 plane types could move an extra movement point; not unlimited… So, 3 bombers, 3 tacs, 3 fighters…ect.

Thanks for your honest comment Ozymandiac,
is the opening post easier to read and understand now?
Same information, different order.
I tried as much as possible to be clear in this new edited version.
Even the second post of this thread is just a more formalized way inspired by OOB 1942.2 written rules, which say same things than first opening post but with all words of official rules.

@Larrie:

Wow, things can really get out of hand, can’t they? First of all, I stand corrected, but only to a point. What I mean by that is, Baron, you are correct, all planes would be defending, therefore they would be in the air to begin with. What I was still trying to address is the statement, Cannot carry plane when damaged. That is still incorrect. If say A British carrier has one British and one American fighter on it and is in the attacking force, and it is the British turn, then the American fighter of course would not participate in the attack. It would be relegated to sitting on deck, and if the carrier is subsequently damaged, the American fighter would still be on deck, not able to take off on the American turn. Again I am addressing Cannot carry plane, not anything else.

You were right about this statement, it was too absolute and didn’t accurately describe OOB rule.
That is why I answered by adding the point on friendly aircrafts trapped in a carrier.
But, if your carrier is damaged, it is not possible to trap your own aircrafts inside.
This last point wasn’t clear, especially when subs only are attacking @2 first strike carriers with no destroyer escorting. I returned to the rulebook to be sure about it.

@Baron:

@Larrie:

Baron, I have to disagree with you on the cannot carry plane when damaged statement. They cannot launch or receive planes after being damaged, but if for example a loaded carrier was surprise attacked by a sub and only damaged and not sunk, then I believe the plane(s) would be trapped on the carrier until such time as it was repaired or sunk.

Talking OOB rules, …

On offense, only friendly plane(s) carried on board is/are trapped if the carrier was damaged in combat.

@SS:

Has anybody discussed using Reconnaissance Planes to find ground troops? I do use them to find naval fleets.
Each country would start out with a certain amount of planes. You also can buy them at C 5.  A 0  D 1  M 4
Beginning of turn you would be able to use the plane to find troops in as many as territories the plane can fly. With an air base you would get the extra move. 1 plane could fly over 4 territories and land in its own or friendly territory.
You would roll 1 die for each territory the plane flew over to find troops positions. A roll of 4 or less tells you you have found position of troops. A roll of 5 or 6 tells you you didn’t find troops and your attacking pieces get a - 1 on attack for first round of combat only.
You didn’t find troops right away and your hits missed at first.
AA guns do get a shot at plane.

Could have it where art, tanks, and planes ( they can’t find neither right away ) get the -1 on attack first round only do to accuracy.

I know the game is long enough, but what’s another 5 mins.
This is just a thought and I know Patten didn’t attack sometimes until he knew where troops were and after plane strikes.

Could getting Radar eliminate the need for recon planes?

@CWO:

It’s an interesting idea, but I guess what I’m wondering is this.  A&A is an open game system in which the composition and location of all the forces on the board is visible to all players at all times.  If it had hidden (or decoy dummy) units, I could see the usefulness of doing recon work – but in an open system, I’m having trouble understanding just what these recon planes are meant to be discovering.

You could combine it with the HR about hidden forces using scrabble pieces.

@Imperious:

Ok if you want more units make it basic:

3 Carriers: CVB, CV, and CVL
2 Cruisers: BC and CA
2 Destroyers: DD and DE
2 battleships: BB, BBB

CVB= 3 planes, 3 hits, 2-3-3-
CV= OOB
CL= 1 hit, 1 plane, 0-1-3-
BC= 3-3-3-2 hits, 16 cost, 3 SB
CA= OOB
DD=OOB
DE= preemptive strike negated, plus boosts each transport to 1 defense ( no more one sub kills all thing) 1-2-3-7
BB=oob
BBB= 3 hits, 5-5-3-24, sb at 5

I don’t know if this hypothetical Armored cruiser CA will be born someday and can be useful.
But if the case, the extra hit should cost 25% of base price of OOB Cruiser (C Light/Heavy). If BB A4D4, 1hit 2=16 IPCs1.25=20 IPCs  2 hits. Which means 3 IPCs for 1.25% of 12 IPCs.
CA A3D3M3C15 2 hits, SBombard 1@3. vs
CB Battlecruiser A4D4M3C16 1hit, SBombard 1@4.
Will it makes both more viable unit vs nearer cost: 2DDs, A4D4 (2 hits) 16 IPCs?
But CB is still different from a M2 BB, with 2 hits.
Same guns but no the same armored bulkhead. Jus 1 little hit and it is over.

But Shinano (same hull as Yamoto) took 1 submarine with 1 torpedo spread (one torpedo hit the I beam supporting one of the torpedo blisters and turned the I-beam into a battering ram that went through the boilers…)

While Yorktown was hit at Coral Sea, damaged, limped back to Pearl, and then fought again at Midway.

In both cases these carriers lost their battle with little against them… so id keep the one hit idea. If a Yamato class carrier can be sunk by a sub and the yorktown plus those 4 japanese carriers go down by a few planes i dont see why these ships need a two hit thing. The battleships should however. Do you not aggree?