Vichy France

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/39300/free-india/1

I think what I would do is just stack Paris, sink z96, and grab Java and land the ANZAC fighters there.  I calculate that Germany would have to use the entire luftwaffe plus all land units in range to take Paris without losing large number of tanks/mechs.  I think this is historically fair because stacking Paris would be in the spirit of France being in defensive mode, and let’s just say that in the real war France got diced by the sickle cut.  It should have been harder for Germany.  So in this scenario the royal navy would be quite safe and without any possibility of sealion they could easily afford to nuke Taranto and build an IC in Egypt right away.  Russia gets some breathing room and a strong UK gives USA more room to focus on the Pacific. ANZAC having an extra round of income and $14 for the first couple rounds is a small help too.

@gen-manstein

here ya go…

Young Grasshopper
Young Grasshopper SPONSOR Nov 24, 2011, 12:33 PM
ANNOUNCEMENT

United Kingdom Political Situation

“Government in Exile” - (Delta+1 final version)

Upon the first time London is captured by an Axis power:

The British government must exile to Ottawa, Canada. All British IPCs (Europe) must be given to the axis power that now controls London. The United States and Soviet Union must immediately declare war on all axis powers (if not already), and become allies with the United kingdom.

During exile:

The UK may collect income from all territories (Europe) that are still under British control. The UK may only mobilize new units from ICs in Canada.

After liberation:

The UK government may return to London, and regain all privileges of their previous sovereignty, or choose to stay in Canada until London stabilizes (decision must be made at the end of the UK turn). If London falls a second time while the government is there, they may not exile again, and all income, purchasing, and placement rights are lost until another successful liberation has been achieved.

Issues before Delta+2:

Whether or not the UK in exile should continue to collect income from all territories remaining in British control, or just territories from Canada.**

PS, I need to correct my previous post to clarify that Ottawa, Ontario would be the British location for GiE, while Montreal, Quebec would be the Free French (FF) GiE location.

@Tortn91:

How about when Paris is taken Normandy-Bordeaux, Southern France, the navy in Mediterranean and the french force in North Africa joined the Nazis, but half of the units in France is moved to UK represents Free French forces who fled and the rest of the French territories in Africa and around the world remains unde Free French control.

It would have to be considered an alternate-history scenario.  The French Navy and the French colonial forces never joined the Nazis, and the number of French forces who crossed the Channel from France to England to form the Free French was nowhere near large enough to represent half of France’s military units.

On the other hand, it’s perfectly accurate to have some of France’s colonial territories go over to the Free French side soon after France is occupied becauset that’s what happened in reality.

@MacNaughton:

But for the sake of game mechanics, it is important that we say that Germany “liberates” Rome. Also, for the sake of game mechanics, we can only take historical accuracy so far. Which means that if Rome is liberated by Germany, then we pretend that all the Italian territories all over the board will be perfectly happy to come back under the rule of Italy no matter the actual feeling of those people in actual history.

Exactly. Thank you, sir.

@Imperious:

All those dice rolls thing would imbalance the game, only a fixed result can be balanced and must be.

Hmm… We are both talking about Axis and Allies, right?

Here’s my thought. If Vichy territory is taken by Axis. All others Vichy must become Free French.
If vichy territory is taken by free french and/or UK. This territory is liberated and this is not a act of war againts Vichy.
But if Vichy (southern France) is taken by Axis, all others Vichy territories should become Free French.
(Same rules if Allies attack Vichy).

He was made the Villian because he made 1 statement (pro Nazi) that got printed in french Newspaper. I don’t remember exactly the headline but, it stated something along the lines “Here’s to a Nazi victory” or something like that. and thats what screwed him during Nurnberg trials

Petain actually helped his people, choosing to send them as labor to Germany vs Fielding French fighting Units for Germany. He chose work over bloodshed for his people in his mind. He had No Idea germany wouldnt return said workers AT the agreed time.

Deleted my prior post…I put it in the wrong forum!  :oops: