What are the soviet subs usefull for?





  • I convoy raid Norway. With alpha a sub in 115 allows you to attack unescorted transports.



  • None of the above …

    Convoy Raiding


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Convoy raidings seems like one idea.  They are also nice fodder for the British/American navy once the game gets going.  At least it doesn’t cost Britian or America anything, right?



  • German players often put a sub in sz125 to deny Russia it’s NO. You can use your sub to try and take it out.



  • @Cmdr:

    Convoy raidings seems like one idea.  They are also nice fodder for the British/American navy once the game gets going.  At least it doesn’t cost Britian or America anything, right?

    Agreed

    Also, one pool option is wrong! There is was not Castro in Cuba in the 40s, but Batista!  😄 So, unless that the game lasts until early 60s (like round 50?  :lol: ), no chance of uncle Joe to hide in La Habana. Mao can be an option if the chinamen discover how get rid of that nasty ACME wall (and those pesky nationalist troops)  :mrgreen:


  • '10

    Global circumnavigation.


  • Customizer

    Another thing about Castro in Cuba, Stalin died in 1953 so he never got to know Castro.

    As for the Russian subs, they do provide a couple of more Soviet units that Germany has to destroy.  Plus, they have to buy a destroyer to do so, then they can use the Luftwaffe.  Otherwise, those subs could cause small problems for Germany, although the one in the Baltic is kind of stuck there if Germany never loses Denmark.



  • One use of Russian Subs in the war . . . . Sinking. For every Axis ship Sunk by them one Russian sub was lost as well in the war!


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    1 to 1 is an acceptable Russian Ratio.


  • '10

    @Gargantua:

    1 to 1 is an acceptable Russian Ratio.

    1 to 10 was acceptable to Stalin!


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    I like the idea of at least the one submarine getting to the Anglo-American fleet.  The one in the Baltic is probably a lost cause…even if they open Norway/Denmark, it’ll die.  German fighters kill the Battleship, German builds a destroyer if it has too.



  • @Funcioneta:

    Also, one pool option is wrong! There is was not Castro in Cuba in the 40s, but Batista!  😄 So, unless that the game lasts until early 60s (like round 50?  :lol: ), no chance of uncle Joe to hide in La Habana.

    I know, but since the poll was just for fun I decided to go for the funny but historically inacurate rather than for… well, for whatever the oposite is 😉

    Other options for Stalin to hide? Mexico? Unlikely since Trotsky had already been there?



  • @Fishmoto37:

    @Gargantua:

    1 to 1 is an acceptable Russian Ratio.

    1 to 10 was acceptable to Stalin!

    as long as he had 11 guys… (quantity has a quality of its own)


  • 2018

    @Gallo:

    @Funcioneta:

    Also, one pool option is wrong! There is was not Castro in Cuba in the 40s, but Batista!  😄 So, unless that the game lasts until early 60s (like round 50?  :lol: ), no chance of uncle Joe to hide in La Habana.

    I know, but since the poll was just for fun I decided to go for the funny but historically inacurate rather than for… well, for whatever the oposite is 😉

    Other options for Stalin to hide? Mexico? Unlikely since Trotsky had already been there?

    Trotsky have been killed by a Soviet agent sent by Staline in 1940. So the place would be ready to receive Old Joseph in his Soviet sub.



  • @Sire:

    @Gallo:

    @Funcioneta:

    Also, one pool option is wrong! There is was not Castro in Cuba in the 40s, but Batista!  😄 So, unless that the game lasts until early 60s (like round 50?  :lol: ), no chance of uncle Joe to hide in La Habana.

    I know, but since the poll was just for fun I decided to go for the funny but historically inacurate rather than for… well, for whatever the oposite is 😉

    Other options for Stalin to hide? Mexico? Unlikely since Trotsky had already been there?

    Trotsky have been killed by a Soviet agent sent by Staline in 1940. So the place would be ready to receive Old Joseph in his Soviet sub.

    I know that. That’s why I said that “Trotsky had been” there and not that he was there (he had been there, then we was killed, he wasn’t there anymore) 🙂

    cool Capt Harlock’s avatar btw 🙂



  • I find the soviet sub useful for the ear wax maneuver.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Bear in mind that the USSR moves before England does (OOB) and before America and England (Alpha 2) thus it can be used for the “Can Opener” maneuver as well.  (Pop a blocking destroyer so the war fleets can sink the Italian/German navy and invade Hamburg/Frankfurt Germany, Berlin Germany, Rome Italy, whatever.)

    If for no other reason, moving the Russian submarine to the combined Anglo-American fleet in the Atlantic might be worth it.

    And, to belabor the point, it is another defending ship if your Anglo-American fleet is ever attacked, and one that neither England nor America has to purchase.


    Note, these are the same arguments for using the Russian Submarine in previous versions of the game.  It’s always been semi-useless, but it has also always had a use in the rare situation it was needed.  Sometimes it was America who had to make a hole for the Russian due to the turn order, but it was the same basic situation.  Another unit that the Axis have to account for if you use it properly.  Sure, if you sit the submarine off the Cape of Good Hope (S. Africa) the Axis can virtually ignore it.  If it’s near Panama, the Axis can ignore it.  But why not use it as another unit with the Anglo-American flotilla?  It does not cost anything, it cannot be used to defend Russia in any meaningful way and if you do not use it thusly, you are essentially giving the Germans (and maybe the Japanese if you move it to the Pacific/Indian Oceans) a 6 IPC bid. (8 classic, but you dont start with a submarine in classic)


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