US invasion in Southern Europe

America is a bit slow but is the force of the Allies.  I usually abandon Asia and just move the fighter and infantry to India if Japan does not kill them.  Then i buy 1 bomber per turn move to UK and industrial bomb Germany every turn while building up my navy at USA.  Once my navy is large enough to withstand German aircraft i move to UK and have a fleet of transports at UK and USA and rotate every turn to attack western Europe every turn.  If Japan does not Pearl Harbor i normally move the Navy to UK to get Germany on a 2 front war ASAP.

If Japan does not “Pearl Harbor” Sometimes i buy subs first turn consolidate my USA navy then attack Japans waters and force them to buy industrial complexes and buying time to buildup India with UK and possibly place US industrial complexes in Asia.  This can really put japan back a turn or two. it really hurts Japan if they are buying transports if they see it coming they are force to defend by buying navy or buy industrial complexes which takes pressure off of Russia and India.

Well not having played the Spring 42’ version I’ll base my theory on the original version as the US you go last, which is a good thing, in the respect that you get to react, which is much better then deciding on an action, you can judge where and when your needed and act accordingly, if Britain and Russia have Germany on the ropes concentrate mostly on the Pacific, if the they need help concentrate mostly on the atlantic.

now when Japan takes out my carrier in pearl I’ll build another and stock it with the fighters from the mainland with the california BB and transport as tag alongs, with those 3 and a transport or two more you have some island hoppers to invade the Japanese held islands with.

and if you can get Britain and Russia to kick Japan off the Asian land mass Japan will be done with.

@Gragor:

A great way to learn is to review games others have played.  You can review the play by forum games here but you will have to load the map utility to get the most of reviewing the play by forum discussion thread.  You can also install tripleA and join games in progress, save the game and then dissect how others play the game.

Okay sounds good. . . . Question what is tripleA?

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=18278.0

@Granada:

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Edit: that’s an odd situation, and a lot of American IC’s…

Well, the fact it is an odd situation made me to start this discussion.  :wink:

I have built all these ICs making myself ready for a long fight, and being able to produce units where I really need them. I think I had a good chance to develop a real pressure on FIC/japan, but as we left it I have not really checked.

Well, odd or not, it is indeed a good base to work from. Within reach of many targets, able to build alot fast. And plenty of subs to avoid Axis naval builds.

In this situation (and even more after u took Africa), controlling the seas means winning the game (in the long run)

I totally agree with the bottleneck problem in Jordan/Persia, in particular with larger valuable targets.  But, with only a few pieces, but a long line of them, you would end up with a dead zone in Jordan/Persia.  The US would/could have air support from Russian territory to help in this dead zone and the Japs tend to have most of their air tied up in Fortress Europe.  If the US 8 or so IPCs ends up being an even trade for Jap IPCs and control over Africa is maintained, I say advantage allies.

I’m not sure if it is easier or that much easier for the allies to get forces to Africa, depends on the philosophy of the players and direction of the game.

I find that the allies tend to play on the edge, that the supply chain cannot be broken and flexibility often costs resources that are not are can not be invested.  Ok, say the game has settled down to a typical rhythm, allied control of Africa, US fleet in Sz2, allied fleet shucking into/onto europe.  At some point the allies make a choice that requires their supply chain of reinforcements to be steady, I find this occurs when they first land in the Karelia area and expect to live a round.  At this point, does the allied fleet have enough strength/flexility/position to now start landing forces in Algeria?  Even there, it takes them a few turns to move up to and take Egypt and move into the rest of Africa unless you move allied transports past Sz12 to Sz17/Sz23, in which case they are out of position to continue to shuck.

The Japs are attacked by the brits and start out with 1 transport typically, and typically build 3 on J1.  A shuck between Sz36 to Sz60/61 develops dropping off 8 units per turn.  An extra transport every round or two means all the output from Japan gets moved and slowly islands have units taken off to the mainland and attacks on Australia and New zealand with threats to Alaska and hawaii perhaps never pursued as lost opportunity of those units in asia is greater than the reward.

By round 5, and IC should be built on FIC and or India.  I find it tempting to wander around with the Jap fleet but I avoid it with anything but the odd lone transport or sub.  So, with a large Jap fleet in Sz34 BBs and CVs you can shuck infantry from India to Egypt that start out in Japan as builds but quickly move to FIC then India.  Tanks that you build in the FIC and Ind ICs just drive there, clear Persia then as non combat moves drive them from India to Trans Jorden.  Tanks there can hit Karelia or allied forces that move up to Lib, and Libya can be hit by the Japanese navy though it takes them out of play and subjects them to attack from Sz12.  If the allies get too strong in Lib, pull back to East Africa and hammer them when they move into Egypt in force.

I’m not sure what the Germans would have to do if the Japs just used an idle fleet to hop from FIC to Egy, the capital ships are often under used, 4 transports must be reserved to offload from Japan and it would only take 2 transports to move meaningful amounts of infantry and artillery from India to Egypt with tanks just driving there.  A large Jap force in Egypt is way more flexible than a large allied force in Algeria.  Mind you, switching gears to Algeria means a jump in threat to Weu but only a 1 turn increase followed by a decrease once this is abandoned by the allies.

Here are a couple of TripleA saved games:

First one is unfinished and was the most competitive. It’s the end turn 9 and the US just defeated a Japanese force in Persia but the Germans seem about to take the Caucasus.

On the 2nd one the game is finished, victory for the Axis. The UK built an IC on South Africa on UK1, while the US decided to switch to a Pacific strat on US3.

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FortressEurope.tsvg

Hopefully, it will go up at the same time as the AAP40 one, which should be within the next month.

If you are saying that the Allies are landing Western Europe heavily, even reinforcing with fighters when Germany can reliably kill their beachhead, then it’s probably a bad idea unless the Allies are so far behind they need Germany to get diced. I don’t go heavily into Western Europe unless I can hold it for the rest of the game or I can hold it for a turn and have enough transports that I can pull out most of my units before Germany overwhelms them.