Upgrading Industrial Complexes

@polishpowerhouse

I agree.

@azpathfinder said in IC in France Liberated by US - Upgrade?:

Can the US upgrade the factory in Normandy to a major IC and keep control of it (until Paris is liberated, at which point it would become a French IC)? Thereby allowing the US to build 10 … or are they restricted to building 3?

Rulebook Europe 1940.2 page 27:
“The industrial complex to be upgraded must be located on an originally controlled (not
captured) territory that you have controlled since the beginning of your turn and that has an IPC value of 3 or higher.”

Normandy Bordeaux - originally controlled by France - has an IPC value of only 2.
So two reasons why US can’t do what you intend.

@azpathfinder said in IC in France Liberated by US - Upgrade?:

Please only provide answers that support my opinion, because the other side (who also reads this forum) is filled with a bunch of cheaters and hooligans.

I can’t figure out which side seems to know the respective rules however.
So - sorry - just in case your opinion was against the rules. :wink:

cc: @SuperbattleshipYamato

No.

Europe 1940 Second Edition Rulebook Page 22
(If you are upgrading a minor industrial complex to a major one, you may still only mobilize up to 3 combat units from that industrial complex this Turn.)

A good rule of thumb is that you can only do/use something based on its status at the very beginning of your Turn. Such as landing planes in a newly captured territory, going though a canal or using a Naval Base. At the beginning of your Turn the industrial complex is a minor thus only 3 units can be built.

@alan-adair Perhaps this quote from page 8 of the Europe Rulebook will help:

When the rules refer to the “original controller” of a territory, they mean the power whose emblem is printed on the territory.

Also, I assume you’re playing 2nd edition? In the 1st edition, the restriction that a major IC can only be built on an originally controlled territory does not exist.

@BillyMack57:

The Norway IC supplies its own troops to fight off nasty incursions from east and west and
bringing pressure on northern USSR while the airbase brings extra scramble ability to SZ112 fleet and the ever hopeful Sealion - admittedly not turn 3-4 but maybe later. Still thinking it through.

You will have no choice but to reinforce it sometime by sea or air because once all three allies come down on it and they will, I promise you ten infantry per turn is nothing.

There is a FMG Games G36/G39 rules and map, “Global War”, and another game “The War Game” by Jeff.    Both include rules to support the Span Civil War/Second Sino Japanese war era

Thanks for the tip there GHG…~!~ :wink:

@ShrimpBoatChef:

Earlier in the thread read that 42.2 plays in under 5 hours. That is cool to hear.  We play Global 40 2nd all the time. Fast games in 5 hours or all day for the win sometimes.  Might have to check out the smaller/faster board.

Ya… I’d put 1941 at about 3 hours playtime, and 4-to-5 sounds about right for 1942.2 (depending on the experience of the players).