Sea Lion A Success!!

@marshmallowofwar thanks to both you and @AndrewAAGamer for clarifying. Thought I had a sneaky way to slow him down, but will have to give it some more thought!

Yes, they can do that even if the powers are at war. The presence of a sub belonging to an enemy power does not block movement.

Marsh

And to add a supplementary reason to the ones already mentioned by P@nther and Krieghund, consider the following argument.

The area under dispute shows two borderlines: the yellow terrestrial one between Newfoundland/Labrador and Quebec, and the blue maritime one between SZ 116 and SZ 106.  The yellow one runs horizontally west-to-east, then make a 90-degree turn and runs vertically southward.  The blue one runs horizontally east-to-west, and connects with the vertical component of the yellow one, forming a right angle.

In most places on the map, the end-points of borderlines are clear and unambiguous. WolfPack points out, correctly, that this particular intersection of two borderlines in question isn’t clear and unambiguous: the point at which the yellow and blue lines meet is a fuzzy dark line rather than a hard transition from yellow to blue. And it’s quite correct that this creates ambiguity, as is shown by the fact that an official clarification once had to be issued on the matter.  WolfPack’s “I think you may change your mind that NF doesn’t border SZ106” follow-up post seems to indicate that he doesn’t agree with the official clarification.  The supplementary argument I’d make, therefore, has to do with the concept of the mapmaker’s probable intent.

If you imagine that the yellow and blue lines are solid red – i.e. if you draw a long vertical red line through the middle of the vertical yellow one and a long horizontal red line through the middle of the horizontal blue one – there’s no question that they form a right angle and that the territory of Newfoundland/Labrador lies entirely within that right angle, and thus that there’s no connection between Newfoundland/Labrador and SZ 106.  This would fit with Theory A: the mapmakers intended for that right angle to be a hard, clean border, but an unintended graphic error made the border look confusingly fuzzy.  This explanation has the virtue of being both simple and plausible.

Theory B, on the other hand, goes like this: the little fuzzy dark line between the yellow line and the blue line was deliberately put there by the mapmakers in order to connect Newfoundland/Labrador to SZ 106.  This theory seems neither simple nor plausible.  If the mapmakers genuinely wanted to connect Newfoundland/Labrador to SZ 106, why would they do so by using a “pixel-wide trace” technique which is used nowhere else on the map, and which is so open to debate, rather than by cleanly and unambiguously giving Newfoundland/Labrador a coastline on SZ 106, which would have been quite easy to do?

I think it’s a great idea.  Also a Soviet sub or two in the Pacific off Amur might help dissuade a Japanese invasion.

They should look into this during the next Alpha revision.

@wwestpro:

@Zhukov44:

I’m unclear whether a successful Sea Lion (G1-G3) changes the political situation.

Does the fall of London bring USA and/or USSR into the war or do they still have to wait till USA3/R4?

pretty sure OOB rules are No, they wait like normal in the instance of an attack.�  But Alpha 3 states this:

“If the United States has war declared on it by an Axis power, an Axis power captures London or any territory in North America, or Japan makes an unprovoked declaration of war on the UK or ANZAC, the United States may declare war on any or all Axis powers.”

Um….you’re quoting Global rules. (1st hint tipping you off should have been the mention of Japan & ANZAC…no Japan or ANZAC in Europe 1940)

So to answer the OP question. No, it does not bring USA into the war when London falls. OOB rules are pretty clear on that one (See page 19 -21)

No offense, but horrible idea.

I’m assuming this is OOB because hitting the RN all G1 is risky in Alpha+3.

Russia gets into the war, and while they may build inf. R1, by R2 they’ll be countering in force. If UK is smart, they’ll see what’s coming with a non-land G1 build and will build at least some defenses. Then they’ll build all inf. UK2, meaning they’ll have about 18 inf. on UK. You’re attacking with 4 or 5 trn. How the heck will that work? Answer: it won’t. And Russia will take the eastern waste of money…er…factory and run through the Balkans and Germany and the game will be over by G5.

It’s like throwing yourself at everyone in the hope they forfeit, knowing that if they don’t you’ll lose.

if the brits have a ship in sz 119, (the one left of Scotland) by T2 you can plug the canal at 112 T3 and hold up sea lion til T4 giving the US time to counter

The rules for scrambling specifically state that you may only scramble if combat is occurs in the sea zone surrounding the island with the air base.  This combat may be either a straight naval battle if defending naval units exist in the sea zone or just an amphibious attack launched from the sea zone if there are no existing defending naval units.