I don’t understand most of what’s in this thread.
1. G1 sub buy to save German fleet
2. German carrier off West Europe
3. Subs being weak against destroyer-laden fleets.
1. How does a G1 sub buy “save” the German fleet, and you DO mean the Baltic fleet don’t you? (i.e. 2 sub / destroyer / transport). Isn’t the point of a G1 sub build to dispute control of the Atlantic ? By placing fighters in Norway/Western Europe and bomber on Western Europe, plus moving subs out by Western Europe on G1, then on G2 moving G1-built subs towards the Atlantic to act as a preventative measure (combined with air support) to stop the Allies from interfering early in Norway/Africa?
It’s sort of like pulling your cat out of a tree and saying the point of the whole thing was to stop your cat from being hungry. Yes, maybe your cat isn’t hungry because now it can eat its usual lunch from its bowl in the kitchen, but you COULD have fed your cat in the tree. So it would really be more accurate to say “I got my cat out of the tree” instead of saying “I stopped my cat from being hungry.”
2. I suppose you mean you built a German carrier in the Baltic on G1, then moved it off West Europe on G2.
G1 Baltic carrier placement threatens both 1) London on G2 (even fighters that landed in Africa have the range to hit London with the carrier as a landing point) and 2) any naval fleet buildup around London (because of the effective lengthening of range of the fighters, allowing Baltic subs plus up to four fighters and bomber to be in range of any initial UK fleet build
But I think the proper Allied response is 3 UK fighters built,and flying US air to London. This leaves the Germans with almost no chance of taking London, and stops the Baltic fleet from moving to Western Europe on G2; there’s also nothing for the Germans to hit on the sea.
An old Caspian Sub paper proposed unification of Baltic and Mediterranean fleets in the Revised edition; that’s possible in this version too. Taking Gibraltar on G1 prevents the UK from landing air there (and thus attacking the German fleet). Combined with a G1 carrier build, that’s a proposed G2 combined fleet off Western Europe of 1 battleship 2 fighters 1 carrier 1 destroyer, plus assorted subs and transports. Anglo-Egypt is captured with the help of German air, leaving the UK destroyer stranded, and the G2 threat to London now uses two transports worth of troops.
But even this is not what I consider a “good” result for Germany. After seeing the G1 turn, the UK can respond with either an infantry build on London (or some combination of fighters and infantry), or the UK and/or US can use transports to move additional forces to London while still building UK air. (The transports are lost, but 5 UK fighters and a UK bomber on UK2 has a good chance of killing even the combined German fleet.)
True, the Germans don’t HAVE to unify at Western Europe; they need only THREATEN it. G2 can see the German Baltic carrier abandoned (saving the German fighters) and the German battleship/transport ferrying units over at Western Europe/Algeria on G2 - combined with German air, threatening the US1 build from landing at Algeria. (i.e. G1 sees the German carrier build and Mediterranean fleet movement; UK1 builds a fat air force, US1 builds fleet to hit Africa, G2 moves units from Gibraltar/Europe to Africa and stays in range threatening any US2 landing of its US1 build with a battleship, German air, and subs.
The UK can’t get going in Norway until UK3 (at best building transports in UK2 and using them on UK3), and German retains control of Africa for a while longer - not an AWFUL way to spend 14 IPCs, maybe. I can’t say for sure if I think it’s a good idea or not, though. Certainly, without the German Mediterranean fleet moving west to Gibraltar, I’d say a G1 carrier build in the Baltic is probably not going to end well for the Germans; it doesn’t put enough pressure on the Allies.
3. Of COURSE subs are not going to be able to run around at will. If they could, the Allies would NEVER be able to get into Europe and Africa. My advice is bombers at Western Europe.