Attacking subs and defending fighters (without a defending destroyer)

Thanks! it makes sense

@calvinhobbesliker:

Yes

though technically I believe a submarine can only be “submerged” during the combat phase and after the combat phase ends it is no longer considered “submerged”. So during any collect income phase, submarines cannot be submerged for any reason regardless at that point in a turn.

I believe Kreig has previously expressed the problems with the rule as submarines are often “submerged” regardless and it’s a misnomer.

bumped for mrblack trying to do kuf

sorry i bumped the wrong thread. will bump correct thread

@calvinhobbesliker:

If you move a sub into a SZ with 2 transports, are you allowed to just kill 1 and retreat the sub?

No.  They are both automatically destroyed.

@Hellmet:

Thanks all for the quick answers!!  Just a point of clarity, I assume that the sub must fight or flee on HIS (the US) combat turn and NOT Japan’s.

Of course.

Correct, you get the $ at the END of turn 3.  You can’t attack until turn 4 unless Japan kicks it off early.

@MaherC:

come on TripleA!

It will take a while (if ever) before there’s a playable version of Pacific because of all the rule changes. But let us hope a little longer…

Buying a major IC by J3 is risky (like everything else) because you need to spend at least 30 IPCs for turn to fully use it otherwise J is wasting production capacity. And Japan needs destroyers, destroyers and destroyers to take hits and deal with subs.

Wow, what a change from a few weeks ago.

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=16257.0

Sure, my opponents did in our first game: I was the Japan.

I attacked the US navy at Hawaii with my huge Imperial Navy: obviously I destroyed all while they don’t scrambled any fighter nor tactical bomber. At his turn, the US player counter-attacked my ships, destroying all them… We closed the game and immediately started a second one: there’s no fun in playing Pacific without ships! :D