Why are there Canadian roundels? A new rule perhaps?



  • –but but, what are these Canadian roundels really all about???

    Brain Damaged, it appears no one wants to believe Larry’s simple statement… :roll:



  • Get over Canada. Its not going to be in the game, its just that nothing ever happens in Canada, because they helped alot in the war and have a cool rondol they are on the board.

    Whos with me



  • The Canadian roundels are there purely for the recognition of Canada’s contribution to the Allied effort.



  • Then any minor power should have its roundel: Mexico, Brazil, Panama, Greece, Finland, Siam, Romania, etc. Man, even the neutrals as Spain for that matter  😐

    But for a gaming point of view canadian roundels has no use and so has no sense if they are not going to be a separate power or have any gaming use. Larry should delete the roundels or give them a role.

    The split of India as 2nd capital is a bad one, it was better Canada. But since I’m going to delete all the chinese and neutral ACME walls and all capital sacking crappiness in my house rules, I guess that I can also give Canada the 2nd capital status the deserves  😉



  • @Funcioneta:

    Then any minor power should have its roundel: Mexico, Brazil, Panama, Greece, Finland, Siam, Romania, etc. Man, even the neutrals as Spain for that matter  😐

    But for a gaming point of view canadian roundels has no use and so has no sense if they are not going to be a separate power or have any gaming use. Larry should delete the roundels or give them a role.

    The split of India as 2nd capital is a bad one, it was better Canada. But since I’m going to delete all the chinese and neutral ACME walls and all capital sacking crappiness in my house rules, I guess that I can also give Canada the 2nd capital status the deserves  😉

    Why is splitting it into India bad? If it were UK and Canada, all the money would go to Europe and none to the pacific.



  • If allies want win the game, India must hold. Ignoring Japan will not be a viable approach anymore with such big map. India will pop only one dude after round 3-5, and maybe even less, if India is the 2nd capital. India cannot hold in that case. Unless of course that West India has value of at least 2 and a minor IC can be built there  😐



  • @calvinhobbesliker:

    @Funcioneta:

    Then any minor power should have its roundel: Mexico, Brazil, Panama, Greece, Finland, Siam, Romania, etc. Man, even the neutrals as Spain for that matter  😐

    But for a gaming point of view canadian roundels has no use and so has no sense if they are not going to be a separate power or have any gaming use. Larry should delete the roundels or give them a role.

    The split of India as 2nd capital is a bad one, it was better Canada. But since I’m going to delete all the chinese and neutral ACME walls and all capital sacking crappiness in my house rules, I guess that I can also give Canada the 2nd capital status the deserves  😉

    Why is splitting it into India bad? If it were UK and Canada, all the money would go to Europe and none to the pacific.

    No, if it were split UK and Canada, only the Canadian resources would be dedicated to the European side.  Func’s point is that if it were a UK/Canada split rather than a GBr/India split you could spend as much or as little on Pacific as you want, so you wouldn’t end up being limited to buying a couple infantry for India each turn since UK doesn’t get that much to start with in Pacific and can’t reasonably challenge Japan for the DEI.



  • Man, these topics are still around and in such volume too.

    Why not just be happy with the recognition? If its such a problem, paint Canadian roundels under the infantry to distinguish them or something…



  • Will there be Canadian control markers for the people who want to house rule Canada in?



  • I doubt it, but it won’t stop people from making them.



  • Being Canadian I not sure what all the fuss is about. I do not think Canada needs to be seperate in the game.
    Not sure what these roundels will be used for other then if UK is toast and Canada is now alone then you could use them, if you want these in your house rules.
    In the World at War 1939 game, Canada does have an IC in Eastern Canada and most games we have played the UK player tends to build ships at that IC because it is better protected being further away. That way German planes / boats do not take out the fleet the round it is purchased. I actually like it.

    That game does not split the money up and UK can buy and place wherever. In that game Australia also has an IC at the start so UK can buy as it sees fit. UK is not done until at least two of the Capitals fall: either UK / Canada or UK / Australia.
    Just a thought for those who like house rule changes. 😄



  • The Canadian roundels are there purely for the recognition of Canada’s contribution to the Allied effort.



  • @cminke:

    we get that BD so stop saying it! :x 🙂

    No, I don’t think that you do get it. There is no new rule unless its a house rule.



  • Yup.

    That is the beauty of house rules, you can add your own spin, whatever it may be, to an already great game.  🙂



  • The Canadian roundels are there purely for the recognition of Canada’s contribution to the Allied effort.



  • @Brain:

    The Canadian roundels are there purely for the recognition of Canada’s contribution to the Allied effort.

    Stop spamming, dude  😐



  • @Yoper:

    I will tell you that during the playtesting we never even questioned the existence of the separate Canadian roundels.  I would say that we were too busy with other, more pressing issues, but also it just never occurred to us.

    Well, you don’t need any testing to know that a simbol that has no use in game must be deleted or must receive an use. It’s like in AA50 japanese roundels on Kiangsu and Manchuria: their only use in game is confuse players (in fact, I have a dude in my FTF group that continues annoying us saying that those territories are original japanese, go figure) and they should have been removed (well, i think that removing the chinese roundel on Manchuria and keeping the jap one was more historical, and also removing ridiculous ACME walls). Canadian roundels will only serve to confuse some stubborn UK players that will think that they can continue buying stuff at Canada after London’s fall (that in fact is much more logical than current rules)

    It was not so difficult deleting the canadian roundels or making a more logical split Canada/UK. A interesting point: check AAP40 game manual, there is a picture of gameboard where Canada is only one territory and has a more logical UK simbol

    The most probable truth: canadian roundels are there just because someone forgot deleting them. I might be wrong, but the explanation given to us seems a cheap excuse



  • I don’t see the big deal with the Canadian roundels.  They’re easy enough to ignore.

    I’ve been mulling over house rules, and I think I’m going to allow the British to spend any IPCs they have at any British factory on either map.  They’ll have 4 factories total:  Major IC in Britain and Minor ICs in Canada, South Africa, and India.  And maybe put a limit of 5 times the IPC value of the territory on any single unit built at a minor IC.  For instance, if the IPC value of the territory is 2, a minor IC can’t build any single unit that costs more than 10.  If the territory has a value of 3, then a minor IC can’t build a unit that costs more than 15.

    I’ll downgrade the factory in India to a minor IC to keep them from spamming large numbers of tanks, which I assume is one of the reasons the designers kept Pacific map IPCs separate from European map IPCs (That and the unrealistic prospect of battleships being cranked out in India).  But, if the British really really really want to crank out battleships or hordes of tanks, they can invest in an upgrade for the Indian factory to a major IC.



  • @almashir:

    I don’t see the big deal with the Canadian roundels.  They’re easy enough to ignore.

    But that’s the point: they are not so easy of ignore, and anyway they serve for no purpose. They should be deleted or receive a use

    For tank spamming at India in case of no split or Canada/UK split: if UK spends too much at India, they will face serious problems at Europe, specially early… and now tanks cost 6, remember it. It should be player’s choice, and anyway as said many times, a minor IC there will fix the issue



  • The Canadian roundels were there purely for the recognition of Canada’s contribution to the Allied effort, but now they have become something all together different. Here is their roundel. Print as many of these as you want and place them on top of your existing UK roundels.

    Paint some UK soldiers red and call them Canadian.
    During initial set up use Canadian troops in Canada.
    Place one factory in Canada if one doesn’t already exist.
    Create seperate Canadian economy based on value of Canadian territories while deducting from UK economy.
    Take turn at same time as UK.
    And now be happy.



  • The Canadian roundels are there purely because someone forgot delete them. They serve only to one purpose: confuse players

    We can do much of the stuff you are suggesting and many of us will do so in our FTF games, but for tourney games or against players that simply refuse to use house rules, we are going to suffer that ilogical East Canada+UK+West India/East India+West Canada split that potentially can break the game. AA50 is here since a year ago and China and India still are not fixed in any way, even when facts show in a very stubborn way that those areas need a fix (specially China, her rules and her setup). They are not going to be fixed and many of us don’t want asian theater broken again or the useless roundels there because probably will not get any fix


  • Official Answers

    Brain Damaged is correct.  The Canadian roundels are there simply to pay tribute to Canada’s contribution to the Allied war effort.  They are not a mistake.  There was supposed to be a reference to them in the AAP40 Rulebook, but it was left out and subsequently added to the FAQ.  This reference will be in the AAE40 Rulebook.



  • @Krieghund:

    Brain Damaged is correct.  The Canadian roundels are there simply to pay tribute to Canada’s contribution to the Allied war effort.  They are not a mistake.

    They are a mistake because they should not be there if they have no use. Please, delete them, give us stickers with AAE40 box or give them a use before the game is released: they are confusing players even in AAP40, where some people forget count canadian IPC to UK’s total, and this is going to get worst with global and Europe versions



  • hey theres no need for name calling. this isnt that type of forum. they were put there for fun, you guys are taking these things way to seriously



  • I think there was going to be a Canadian power in early stages of development like when pacific was released and then they decided against it. I’m canadian and love Canada but cmink calm down. Besides I rather like the roundels.


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