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    New zealand is an island in AAP40.  Planes can scramble and such.


  • Did we decide if New Guinea is an island in the real world or not?


  • @Gharen:

    3.) There are fighter escorts in this game for the strategic bombing and there are also fighter defenders, the defenders can only come from the territory being strategic bombed.  Fighters attack at 1 and defend at 2 for one round of combat.

    You’re right - 1) attacking and defending fighters fire  2) casualties are selected  3) antiaircraft fires  4) casualties are selected  5) strategic bombing occurs

    This is the first A&A game since Europe to use those rules, I believe.


  • Of course the rules are confusing, they were written by a bunch of chimps.


  • @robbie358:

    @Gharen:

    3.) There are fighter escorts in this game for the strategic bombing and there are also fighter defenders, the defenders can only come from the territory being strategic bombed.  Fighters attack at 1 and defend at 2 for one round of combat.

    You’re right - 1) attacking and defending fighters fire   2) casualties are selected  3) antiaircraft fires  4) casualties are selected  5) strategic bombing occurs

    This is the first A&A game since Europe to use those rules, I believe.

    1942 had optional rules for fighter escort.


  • @Yoper:

    If you want to call Larry and Krieghund a bunch of chimps, go right ahead.

    The rules are their baby.  All the other mistakes are by the muttonheads at WotC.

    Yes, I guess your buddies Mike and John dont make this kind of mistakes.


  • @Yoper:

    @Brain:

    Of course the rules are confusing, they were written by a bunch of chimps.

    If you want to call Larry and Krieghund a bunch of chimps, go right ahead.

    The rules are their baby.  All the other mistakes are by the muttonheads at WotC.

    Well the rulebook I got leaves a lot to be desired and somebody has to be held accountable.


  • Yes, I agree. If writing rules and double checking isn’t your specialty, you shouldn’t be writing them. Helping yes. Directing yes. Final say yes. But not writing. Game creators create games. Writers and perfectionists write rulebooks.


  • I don’t agree, that’s why there are editors. They should have caught the typos or asked for clarifacation if the rules seemed ambiguous. If people blame Krieg or Larry, I suspect it’s simply because they are the most accessable.

    Editted for spelling (I blame Krieg)

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    Yoper:

    “But spelling mistakes are different from people actually having troubles understanding certain ideas or concepts in the rules.”

    Yes, they are different, but both fall under the jurisdiction of the editor(s).  That being said, I agree that “Trying to put forth a rule (like the political rules in AAP 40) in a way that is clear to all is a tough task.”

    From what I’ve read, it seems that people should also apply some common sense - especially those who’ve been playing A&A games for many years.  I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve read of someone wanting a clarification - only to wonder why it needed to be clarified in the first place.

    As to the spelling mistakes… well that’s just plain shoddy workmanship.  No, it doesn’t effect gameplay, and I’m still going to have fun playing the game. But if people are shelling out a fair amount of money for a game - they expect a higher quality product, one that doesn’t have spelling errors (which is something that might be expected from a garage based game publisher - not a major manufacturer).  And there is the element of presentation as well, in this kind of medium, it’s important.  And c’mon, consider the demographic of your buyers… we’re talking about guys (mainly) that go through great lengths such as painting the pieces, inventing pages of optional rules, making new maps etc.  Of course spelling mistakes are going to leap out at the average A&A enthusiast!

    You stated, “I would like you (or anyone else) to give me a list of all the spelling mistakes in the rulebook.”  I’m not about to be an unpaid editor/proofer, but the point is that if there is one… that’s one too many.  It’s not that difficult to publish something without spelling mistakes - its done everyday.  And a lot of these publications don’t even have the benefit of more than one editor. Perhaps I’m a bit retentive in regard to the spelling issue, but I am obviously not alone in this stance.

    BTW - I too don’t think anyone should be pointing fingers at the wardog or Larry Harris, it’s not like they design and produce the whole game themselves…

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