Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread

  • TripleA '12

    Nope. Were they supposed to have been shipped to customers recently? If so, I must have missed that news.

  • Customizer

    On another thread, Jeremy gave a date of 9/20/2011, but didn’t actually say that was the release date.
    On FMG’s website, it says a “September Release” for the Italian units.
    So, I guess we all have a little longer to wait.


  • I don’t know if any one else noticed, but the German sculpts we’ve seen so far look very much like some of the German units in Tide of Iron. Especially the Tiger, mech infantry and truck. Also the Flak 88 looks almost identical, but that one was up for remodeling I think.

    Now, one might say that a Tiger looks like a Tiger and so on, but that’s not quite true. Different games have different sculpts and they all differ a little bit from each other. A Tiger from M44 doesn’t look exactly like a Tiger from A&A Miniatures, for example. The Tiger and mech infantry from M44 are different from FMG:s sculpts, but the ones from ToI and FMG are almost the same, apart from the size. Coincidence?


  • conspiracy theories

  • '10

    I think we covered this topic already?

    MANY examples were given to sculptor as inspiration.  EACH UNIT was done from scratch based on these many examples.  Of course a Tiger Tank will look similar to other Tiger Tank models!?!?

  • Customizer

    @Razor:

    conspiracy theories

    No - seriously.  Look at the weapons the Germans are holding - some of those rifles are the same rifles as the infantry from OOB!  (I always thought that they were mass-produced, but we now know that each country had an army of gunsmiths so…)

    😉


  • @FieldMarshalGames:

    I think we covered this topic already?

    MANY examples were given to sculptor as inspiration.  EACH UNIT was done from scratch based on these many examples.  Of course a Tiger Tank will look similar to other Tiger Tank models!?!?

    The thing is, they look similar to one very specific set of other units, namely Tide of Iron. It’s not just the Tiger, it’s the truck, mech inf and 88 as well. Just something I noticed. Maybe it’s the same sculptor?

    They look good, so I guess it doesn’t really matter.


  • @Lozmoid:

    Nope. Were they supposed to have been shipped to customers recently? If so, I must have missed that news.

    They seems available on FMG site… can’t wait…

  • '10

    Enough with the conspiracy theories.  Personally I don’t give a rat’s asss if they look similar to some other pieces.  As long as they look good, that’s all that matters to me.

  • Customizer

    @Raeder:

    The thing is, they look similar to one very specific set of other units, namely Tide of Iron. It’s not just the Tiger, it’s the truck, mech inf and 88 as well. Just something I noticed. Maybe it’s the same sculptor?

    I really don’t understand the complaint.  So Tiger tanks in Tide Of Iron don’t look like Tiger tanks in any other WW2 game?  An SdKfz 251 in Tide Of Iron doesn’t look like an SdKfz 251 in any other WW2 game?  An Opel “Blitz” truck in Tide of Iron doesn’t look like an Opel “Blitz” truck in any other WW2 game?
    But wait, now apparently FMG has “copied” those models.  OH MY GOD!  How can we deal with these copies?  Of course, FMG’s pieces will be much smaller to fit in with A&A size pieces, but they will still look so much alike.
    This is a really weird thing to complain about.  I can’t help but wonder just what you were expecting FMG to come up with.


  • @knp7765:

    @Raeder:

    The thing is, they look similar to one very specific set of other units, namely Tide of Iron. It’s not just the Tiger, it’s the truck, mech inf and 88 as well. Just something I noticed. Maybe it’s the same sculptor?

    I really don’t understand the complaint.  So Tiger tanks in Tide Of Iron don’t look like Tiger tanks in any other WW2 game?  An SdKfz 251 in Tide Of Iron doesn’t look like an SdKfz 251 in any other WW2 game?  An Opel “Blitz” truck in Tide of Iron doesn’t look like an Opel “Blitz” truck in any other WW2 game?
    But wait, now apparently FMG has “copied” those models.  OH MY GOD!  How can we deal with these copies?  Of course, FMG’s pieces will be much smaller to fit in with A&A size pieces, but they will still look so much alike.
    This is a really weird thing to complain about.  I can’t help but wonder just what you were expecting FMG to come up with.

    Who says I’m complaining? Just something I noticed and wondered if any one else had noticed. Apparently that is not the case, so lets move on.


  • Its Labor Day, any word on that September release?


  • @dadler12:

    Its Labor Day, any word on that September release?

    @knp7765:

    On another thread, Jeremy gave a date of 9/20/2011, but didn’t actually say that was the release date.
    On FMG’s website, it says a “September Release” for the Italian units.
    So, I guess we all have a little longer to wait.

    In the context of the 9/20/2011 date given I’m assuming it was a release date.


  • I hope Germany is being produced at the factory right now because they will be on a boat for a month.

  • Customizer

    @Rorschach:

    @dadler12:

    Its Labor Day, any word on that September release?

    @knp7765:

    On another thread, Jeremy gave a date of 9/20/2011, but didn’t actually say that was the release date.
    On FMG’s website, it says a “September Release” for the Italian units.
    So, I guess we all have a little longer to wait.

    In the context of the 9/20/2011 date given I’m assuming it was a release date.

    That was pretty much my guess as well.  I think FMG will get them on 9/20 then ship out all the orders.  Usually, when I order something from FMG, I usually get it within a week.  I hope that stays true.  Already been waiting so long I’m about to burst with anticipation.


  • cmon HBG has passed you

  • '10

    @cminke:

    cmon HBG has passed you

    We have done more sculpts…. longer process.

    And apparently our Factory is RETARDED.  After Germany we may take the contract to a new factory.

  • Customizer

    @FieldMarshalGames:

    @cminke:

    cmon HBG has passed you

    We have done more sculpts…. longer process.

    And apparently our Factory is RETARDED.  After Germany we may take the contract to a new factory.

    Lol!!

  • '10

    @FieldMarshalGames:

    @cminke:

    cmon HBG has passed you

    We have done more sculpts…. longer process.

    And apparently our Factory is RETARDED.  After Germany we may take the contract to a new factory.

    If you go to a different factory, would that set your project timing back even farther?

  • '14

    @Fishmoto37:

    @FieldMarshalGames:

    @cminke:

    cmon HBG has passed you

    We have done more sculpts…. longer process.

    And apparently our Factory is RETARDED.  After Germany we may take the contract to a new factory.

    If you go to a different factory, would that set your project timing back even farther?

    Not if he took his business to the company HBG uses.


  • FMG just do what you need to do :evil:, kill who you need to kill :evil: and steal what you need to steal :evil: to get these to us  :evil: :evil:

  • Customizer

    Hey Jeremy, has your factory made the mould for Germany yet?

    The Italian pieces came out really nice, excellent quality.  If the German pieces are of equal quality, do you want to mess with that?  I know the factory keeps seeming to drag out the process, but at least they do turn out a really nice product.  I would be afraid if you went to another factory that quality might end up suffering.  Plus, what would you do about making more Italians and Germans since your current factory has the moulds for them?  However many sets you have ordered, I am sure you will eventually sell out and need more.


  • Normally factories like this will make you pay for tooling and you own the tooling. There are lots of quality injection mold companies out there that can do the job I’m sure.

    You might want to make sure you have a new company lined up who sounds reasonably confident that they can use another company’s molds before you cut the old one loose. Show them your sample pieces and they should be able to figure out how the molds work by inspecting the parting lines and fill positions.

    Matching colors might be the biggest hurdle. Too bad that other company can’t get it together.

  • '10

    @trackmagic:

    Normally factories like this will make you pay for tooling and you own the tooling. There are lots of quality injection mold companies out there that can do the job I’m sure.

    You might want to make sure you have a new company lined up who sounds reasonably confident that they can use another company’s molds before you cut the old one loose. Show them your sample pieces and they should be able to figure out how the molds work by inspecting the parting lines and fill positions.

    Matching colors might be the biggest hurdle. Too bad that other company can’t get it together.

    It is just embarrassing at this point.  THEY gave me a date of AUG 10th.  It was THEIR date!  So I hinted that release “could” be SEPT 10th…. giving them an entire MONTH extra just in case.

    They have not returned my last inquiry…  which means they are not done yet and know I will blast them.


  • @FieldMarshalGames:

    @trackmagic:

    Normally factories like this will make you pay for tooling and you own the tooling. There are lots of quality injection mold companies out there that can do the job I’m sure.

    You might want to make sure you have a new company lined up who sounds reasonably confident that they can use another company’s molds before you cut the old one loose. Show them your sample pieces and they should be able to figure out how the molds work by inspecting the parting lines and fill positions.

    Matching colors might be the biggest hurdle. Too bad that other company can’t get it together.

    It is just embarrassing at this point.  THEY gave me a date of AUG 10th.  It was THEIR date!  So I hinted that release “could” be SEPT 10th…. giving them an entire MONTH extra just in case.

    They have not returned my last inquiry…  which means they are not done yet and know I will blast them.

    I believe revisiting your contract with this company is in order.

    Perhaps a rider that states they do not get paid until certain objectives are met, on time (or in a timely manner).  If those objectives are not met in a timely manner, then concessions need to be made in your favor.  If not, then you take your molds and go elsewhere (although that unfortunately involves incurring extra cost, no company truely worth being in business is going to risk losing business)

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