@JDOW I knew what you meant. Going to try the GIBASTION next Global game.
Taranto Fail… What next in the Med?
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Got a question for defending against Taranto as Axis. Does it make sense for Germany to fly a fighter down to Southern Italy to bump up the scramble value from 2 to 3?
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Absolutely, but it makes no sense to do the scramble unless the UK goes light on the attack. You are better off hitting the remaining UK fleet in sea zone 97 on G2 with the entire Luftwaffe.
Marsh
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Taranto is a no brainer if you commit all the units in range, however i don’t know what bid was received or given, which makes a huge difference. The proper reaction is for Germany to try and destroy all UK naval assets around UK. Also, never play the attack if Germany builds transports and Carrier for Sealion. You need those units protecting UK.
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@Marshmallow:
Since you committed to your build before the combat round per the rules, if the build includes an MIC placing that in Egypt would be bad since you really have little hope of holding Egypt without a fleet. I would say that you should not place the factory at all this round – hold it for placement in a later round (hopefully you activate Persia in non-combat on UK1 and then on UK2 you can place the factory there).
That is not legal. You can only hold units which were inadvertently bought and can’t be placed. Kreighund has clarified this.
Interesting. But frankly, if I lost Taranto due to bad dice I might forget to place any units out of shock.
Marsh
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What I wrote was slightly wrong. You never hold units - you only return them for a refund. The part Kreighund clarified is that you can’t deliberately cause a situation where you can’t place.
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Surrender.
If the Axis takes Egypt on the first or second round and can hold it tightly, the game is over. They can proceed to march into the Middle East and the Caucasus, swelling the income into something too high. I personally surrender in such a situation.
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What if it’s Meinherr and he blew the entire German air force clearing out Egypt so that Italy could walk in. Do you think the loss of the Luftwaffe would make the game viable? It’s doubtful that I would give up under those circumstances, because frankly Germany hosed itself there in my opinion.
Marsh
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I recently played in a game where my UK ally did lose at Taranto, with a -58 ipc loss on the battle.
Italy retained 2 TTs and immediately took Egypt. My ally and I continued the game and lost in ten rounds.
I believe the only possibility of turning the game around needed to begin with allied fleet off Gib, which required such an investment against the vast resources that G and It had at their disposal that J would get an easy ride. To my mind the asymmetric victory conditions meant that R had to be saved (or Rome or Egypt taken) to deny an axis victory in Europe.
My ally did not share that conclusion so we never pursued it with the focus it would have needed. Of course if we had done so we might have lost in less than ten rounds!
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Hey All! (sorry for having to use full names for some units, I haven’t picked up on all the short hand for them yet)
Thanks for some good advise (i.e. surrender :-D). I realize now that I could have added in the fighter from Gilbralter.
What I had been using was the Fighter from Malta and all sea and air units from SZ 98 giving me 1 fighter, 1 tac bomber, 1 AC, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer. (I move the transport down to SZ 81 so that it would be safe from Italian fighters)
The first time I did this there were only the two Italian fighters scrambled and I just barely lost. The second game I tried this there was a German fighter added and I lost by quite a bit leaving the battleship and all 3 scrambled fighters.
It is very tough to keep Italy in check after giving them the Mediterranean bonus and losing that whole naval fleet. I like the idea of purchasing mec inf and a tank or two on the first turn with the plan of putting them in UK to hold off a sea lion threat but being able to place some of those in South Africa if Taranto fails.
I will keep reading up and I really appreciate all the help and humor.
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@Private:
I recently played in a game where my UK ally did lose at Taranto, with a -58 ipc loss on the battle.
Italy retained 2 TTs and immediately took Egypt. My ally and I continued the game and lost in ten rounds.
I believe the only possibility of turning the game around needed to begin with allied fleet off Gib, which required such an investment against the vast resources that G and It had at their disposal that J would get an easy ride. To my mind the asymmetric victory conditions meant that R had to be saved (or Rome or Egypt taken) to deny an axis victory in Europe.
My ally did not share that conclusion so we never pursued it with the focus it would have needed. Of course if we had done so we might have lost in less than ten rounds!
In my first game where I lost Taranto (3rd game overall) I was able to win but it took 19 turns. We were all pretty new to the game so mistakes were made EVERYWHERE.
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That fighter on Gibraltar is best use to support the cruiser from SZ91 taking down SZ96. You can fly fighters from London or Scotland to support Taranto so long as they didn’t all die after being scrambled G1.
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That is why I just assumed that you didn’t do that.
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I actually find it more devastating when the SZ96 battle fails.
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