Yes, if America decides to try and move through SZ 60 with those ships in the combat movement phase, they will have to stop and engage the defending enemies. However, if you clear them out and then try to move your ships through on non-combat they can sail through.
A "Sink"ing feeling with an IC in place
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Flanking was how I handled this in a game against Nix a while back.
I kept the China/Sinkiang front stacked to a stalemate, then worked forces around via India and Yakut threatening to cut off the Allied forces in Sinkiang and catch them in a vise. He of course pulled back from Sinkiang (finally) and that allowed Japan to take that IC.
It DID take a while to accomplish because of the supporting USAF that was flown to Russia EARLY in the game.
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I agree with evertyhing newpaintbrush said.
If anything, the loss should be attributed to Germany doing a bad job against russia. with the amount of infantry going into sinkiang, Hitler should have been chilin out max and relaxin all cool and shootin some b-ball outside of the Kremlin after a few turns. Honorable mention goes to Japan for not going through india or yakut.
:oops: :roll:Yeah gee thanks for the compliment. The only thing I will admit is that TC handled Russia quite well against my…somewhat lack of experience against good players. Yeah, I probably should have planted the German flag in the Caucasus mountains sooner, but I guess I just wasn’t able to “see” a clear path to do so. Didn’t keep the end in mind, I suppose.
And NPB, for a pot-smoking owl, you might as well be Yoda in disguise sometimes. Those were definitely some good points you made. Yeah, I regretted some of those IC buys when I saw how little men I had on the board that weren’t stuck in China. Some guys were going north and a few south, but not enough I suppose. As Japan, I’ve just had bad experiences against others of getting strafed hardcore while in Sink and/or China and losing tons of material while the other guy somehow loses very little.
Obviously I didn’t read or take into consideration hard enough CSub’s paper on trannies versus ICs. Guess I now know why trannies can rule.
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Obviously I didn’t read or take into consideration hard enough CSub’s paper on trannies versus ICs. Guess I now know why trannies can rule.
A mix of both, with at least 1 mainland IC, is to my mind the best way to go as Japan… even if facing a KJF. The mainland IC allows you to get SOME forces into Asia every turn, even if your fleet has to sail off to deal with Allied shipping in the Pacific.
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I thought about quoting you as saying ‘trannies rule’ and just LOL for a while.
Oh well, now you know what to do in this situation.
Sorry about that ‘compliment’. I thought the Fresh Prince reference would make it slightly more goofy and not scolding.
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I thought about quoting you as saying ‘trannies rule’ and just LOL for a while.
Oh well, now you know what to do in this situation.
Sorry about that ‘compliment’. I thought the Fresh Prince reference would make it slightly more goofy and not scolding.
Actually, I thought you were being sarcastic when you said honourable mentions go to Japan for not going around. That’s what I was referring to. I did start to go around, but kept getting pushed back sometimes. And yeah, I was laughing when I started reading your Fresh Prince reference. I knew what you were referring to both in-game and by using the ref.
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i think everyone is missing the point that uk was doing a lot of dying on the russian front instead of russians
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I thought about quoting you as saying ‘trannies rule’ and just LOL for a while.
Oh well, now you know what to do in this situation.
Sorry about that ‘compliment’. I thought the Fresh Prince reference would make it slightly more goofy and not scolding.
Actually, I thought you were being sarcastic when you said honourable mentions go to Japan for not going around. That’s what I was referring to. I did start to go around, but kept getting pushed back sometimes. And yeah, I was laughing when I started reading your Fresh Prince reference. I knew what you were referring to both in-game and by using the ref.Â
Damn straight. That show was awesome.
My guess is you didnt commit fully to a flank?Â
i think everyone is missing the point that uk was doing a lot of dying on the russian front instead of russians
What was that UK fleet composed of?
On a side note, I hate stalemates. One tends to form in my games with Ukraine and Caucasus. When I see one forming, I start to hold troops in a territory behind it where they can be used for a counterattack after the stalemate breaks or where I can shift them into another direction of attack if need be. Another one pops up at Sinkiang and China, but to a lesser extent. It always seems like breaking through Sinkiang is on the back burner while i grab india and buryatia (and sometimes Australia) and there ends up being a standoff between 3 infantry on each side. I guess thats less of a stalemate and more of a dead front though.
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OK, is it just me or is this thread getting rather strange…
“Trannies Rule”
“Damn Straight”I feel like I am at some protest outside a Drag Queen performance :evil:
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i think everyone is missing the point that uk was doing a lot of dying on the russian front instead of russians
Why is that a point?
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I think he meant he used the UK troops as the fodder to keep Russia out of harm’s way while he shored up the US in Sink. And I’m not saying trannies rule, I’m saying … well I guess I’m saying they cost almost half as much as an IC and you can use the rest to buy troops and keep getting more and more men into Asia. And honestly, people on these boards like to take things out of context. A lot. You people should go work for the Enquirer or something. :roll:
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Trannies only cost half as much as an IC when you pick up the ones in a back alley downtown.
/tasteless
Somebody give me a rimshot!
<_<
Back on subject: I still dont see how the UK has enough resources to fend off Germany on the eastern front. 5 transports of infantry every turn while russia stacks on Caucasus? Im actually very interested in this stratgy now.
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Russia wasn’t stacking in the Caucasus, he was slightly stacking in WR, with UK forces slowly coming in from the north through Kar and Arch. That took a few rounds to build up and then he traded a territory or two before combining his forces and putting the UK stack in WR with the few Russian inf. I set the UK back by wiping out his entire Royal Navy without losing a single fighter in the process! :mrgreen: :-D And he had a BB, dest, and 4 trannies. I was quite surprised when I didn’t take any hits. I was more surprised that his BB didn’t get anything either. :-P So that set him back a round or two, and he even went and strafed my entire stack that took the Caucasus and from there, used his US army coming from the south to strafe more of me and then Russia finished the rest. My 17th Army Group under General C. U. Later was obliterated!!! And that was my entire armoured core too, so, that took what little bite I had out of the game.
And Cobert, if you can get the strat to work, all the more power to you.
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I need to try this in my next game. I probably wouldve done it with somemore defense on my transports.
Persia gets more important every game that I play, it seems like theres been a lot of times where theres a stack of allied tanks there ready to shift direction towards whichever battlefront needs them.
The more I look at the situation, the more I think the flaw of the axis was not moving through India quick enough, and that Germany was just doing their best to keep up.
Well see how this works out in my next game. It all seems very opportunistic though, an IC in sinkiang could be VERY bad if japan does well in china and has planes in FIC or Manchuria.
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ther in lies the key, how well japan takes china, look at our game thread in the tourney section
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I will only do a US IC in Sinkiang if the British also have an IC in Idida. I have found that one will not survive without the other.
In the game described Germany should have been after Russia hard whether they could hold the territory or not just to put a squeeze on Russia. Russia cannot afford to fight on two fronts in most games as they tend to have to produce infantry heavy armies and this limits there response flexibility. The transports vs ICs has already been covered. With the Russians reinforcing the Americans this provides strong defense but weak offense. Meaning you can leave some speed bumps in China and drive hard for India. From India Africa becomes an option for Japan if not Axis held to build income.
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Trust me, you don’t need an IC in India along with a Sink IC to hold Japan. The one - that’s 1 - IC in Sink held up Japan for the entire game. Don’t be fooled into believing you need an IIC as well. Go read our thread in the tourney section. You’ll see what went down.
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1. “Go read our thread in the tourney section.”
Next time, post the thread reference.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=8611.0
2. "Trust me, you don’t need an IC in India along with a Sink IC to hold Japan. "
I don’t trust you. :-o
(edit) fixed typo (/edit)
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Well excuuuuuuse me mister perfect owly owl. I think your bong’s calling, better go answer it. And don’t trust me then. Not like that matters in something like this. Honestly this thread jumped off the rails from the second and third posts. So much for actually attempting to figure out a solution for an encounter such as this.
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The only solution I see for the axis is for Japan to react quickly and work around the IC while Germany uses its airforce to immobilize the UK’s reinforcement plan.
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Agreed.
You have to act QUICKLY to counter a Sinkiang IC.
Strong China strike on J1.
Land AF in range of of Sinkiang
And if you have strong reason to suspect that the Sinkiang IC will be built, land the Japan ARM in Manchuria for even more punch for the attack on J2.If you let Russia reinforce it with their eastern and central Asia forces, and possibly even UK AF units, then you have going to have a devil of a time cracking it. And as I psoted earlier, by the tiem you do get enough force massed to take it, the forces just pull back to Novo or even Moscow further slowing the Japan advance.
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